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MJM 
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:29 am to darkhorse)
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2- Do you wish to apply the same test equally used in science to the creation account? You see that's where most people back out. They only want to apply the scientific method when it benefits them. You can not apply rules unevenly. The bottom line is truth right?
thanks for the laughs before bed
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:30 am to Wazoo)
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Why? At least evolution is based on scientific research. Creationism has absolutely no base in science.
??? Uh, wrong. There are a lot of scientist that would 100% disagree with you.
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Roman mythology is backed by the same amount of science creationism is.
Hardly!
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
5176 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:31 am to MJM)
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you really can't understand how a myth shouldn't be taught in a science classroom? lol
There is absolutely no point in arguing with people that are so entrenched in their ideologies. Why can there be no compromise with you people?
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Wazoo
Member since Oct 2012
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:32 am to darkhorse)
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2- Do you wish to apply the same test equally used in science to the creation account? You see that's where most people back out. They only want to apply the scientific method when it benefits them. You can not apply rules unevenly. The bottom line is truth right?
Absolutely. The problem here is that creationism is backed by zero science. Show me one study that was done showing humans were created in one day.
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1- Has evolution connected all of the dot? You know the answer to this... I hope.
No, it hasn't, but that doesn't make it any less likely. Just because science has not answered every question does not mean we should discredit it. Creationism requires you to blindly believe. Evolution is backed by real data that nearly everyone concedes to be true.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:32 am to MJM)
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thanks for the laughs before bed
I see, so you actually think the standard should be different?
Then step up to the plate and go! I'm all eyes! Start at the beginning and tell me HOW and where the account in genesis is at odds with science (using the term is the broadest way possible).
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Wazoo
Member since Oct 2012
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:34 am to darkhorse)
Please post a credible study that concludes that humans were created in one day by a higher being.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:38 am to Wazoo)
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Wazoo
Thanks!
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2- Do you wish to apply the same test equally used in science to the creation account? You see that's where most people back out. They only want to apply the scientific method when it benefits them. You can not apply rules unevenly. The bottom line is truth right?
Absolutely. The problem here is that creationism is backed by zero science. Show me one study that was done showing humans were created in one day.
Same logic/test/method/reasoning that applies to your next statement applies to the above.
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1- Has evolution connected all of the dot? You know the answer to this... I hope.
No, it hasn't, but that doesn't make it any less likely. Just because science has not answered every question does not mean we should discredit it. Creationism requires you to blindly believe. Evolution is backed by real data that nearly everyone concedes to be true.
Think about what you just stated. If you are to use science with the creation account and say that it has not answered all of the question yet, how can you discount the creation account?
Just because we do not understand some things YET does not mean it's not truth.
That is what you are asking of me. That is the same that you must accept.
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JohnnyKilroy 
North Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:38 am to Wazoo)
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:40 am to Wazoo)
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Please post a credible study that concludes that humans were created in one day by a higher being.
Please post a study where science has proven there is not!
SAME RULES APPLY.. remember.
So instead of posting "maybes", why not stick with what science does know?
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JohnnyKilroy
North Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
5589 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:41 am to darkhorse)
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Please post a study where science has proven there is not!
You can't prove a negative.
The burden of proof falls on you.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:42 am to darkhorse)
Everything that we currently know from science states that light has to come first before life of any kind can be possible...
Agreed?
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CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Broussard
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:43 am to darkhorse)
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Then step up to the plate and go! I'm all eyes! Start at the beginning and tell me HOW and where the account in genesis is at odds with science (using the term is the broadest way possible).
Still waiting for you to post your proof. Stop redirecting and tell us how genesis is in agreement with science.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:44 am to JohnnyKilroy)
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The burden of proof falls on you.
Correct. It's science.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:45 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan)
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Still waiting for you to post your proof. Stop redirecting and tell us how genesis is in agreement with science.
I have told you that. Take it from chapter 1 and stop at the end of that chapter. It's all in agreement with science.
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JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:46 am to darkhorse)
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I have told you that. Take it from chapter 1 and stop at the end of that chapter. It's all in agreement with science.
I think we are asking for peer reviewed scientific studies.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
Michigan Fan
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
5176 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:46 am to JohnnyKilroy)
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JohnnyKilroy
It's pretty rich, actually. You have staunch adherents of science who are unwilling to listen to any other opinions and are convinced their ideology is the only true ideology, and then you have darkhorse, who is basically the same.
Science used to be all about acceptance and compromise that theories can never be fully proved. Scientific ideologues have mutilated the true meaning of science. It's the main reason I shied away from the anti-god crowd, for they have created a canned philosophical system of their own.
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darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
2513 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:49 am to JohnnyKilroy)
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I think we are asking for peer reviewed scientific studies.
It's you that's claiming the account to be incorrect. if there are studies showing that wrong, that burden is on you to prove/show.
I'm giving you the body of work, the paper. Stop looking at it as the "Bible".
Has Science proven the paper wrong? If so post it!
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higgsBoson 
New Orleans Saints Fan
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501 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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There is absolutely no point in arguing with people that are so entrenched in their ideologies. Why can there be no compromise with you people?
As an engineering student I know exactly why. If you haven't taken a science class in awhile, you might not remember that there is never enough time to cover all the information needed in the course.
Furthermore, evolution is so important to biology that if evolution were to be found false, there is almost no way that it is not a fact. It's one of the most widely accepted beliefs in all of science.
Finally, to teach creationism in science is just a sham. Religion is not a science. You can teach students to always question science. That is important, but challenge science with science. Religion and science have nothing to say about each other.
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JohnnyKilroy
North Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
5589 posts
| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 12:58 am to darkhorse)
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It's you that's claiming the account to be incorrect. if there are studies showing that wrong, that burden is on you to prove/show.
1st off, I ain't claiming shite.
B. You. Can't. Prove. A. Negative.
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JohnnyKilroy
North Carolina Fan
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| re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism (Posted on 12/19/12 at 1:02 am to higgsBoson)
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Furthermore, evolution is so important to biology that if evolution were to be found false, there is almost no way that it is not a fact. It's one of the most widely accepted beliefs in all of science.
Maybe someone can fill me in, but why hasn't the theory of evolution been upgraded to the law of evolution? Honest question.
Isn't it a known and accepted fact that organisms pass on traits to their offspring, and over a period of time those traits suited to the environment continue to develop while those that don't fall off?
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