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re: If football goes the way of boxing due to rule changes, what sport gets big?

Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:21 am to
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20739 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:21 am to
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Link??


Happened last year - LINK

Set new mark for the 2nd straight year - LINK

And I know there are fewer games than NBA and NHL. But people are going and more people keep going.
Posted by rugbyag
McKinney, Texas
Member since Sep 2011
1083 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:21 am to
Yeah, Frisco team is 5 years old now. Tearing up TRU so far this year. This is my 2nd year with Frisco, played with DARC and Shreveport previously.

Yeah, the Tongans still play with Arlington (now calling themselves Grand Prairie). They formed their own team, Texas Islanders, that lasted for 2 seasons. They folded after the club was suspended for fighting and playing ineligible players. Surprising huh?!
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20739 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:22 am to
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Lax is huge in Maryland. I mean, huge. Everyone plays. It's bigger than football. The best attended NCAA event? The lacrosse final four. Not basketball, not even a bowl game. But the three day extravaganza of lax in Baltimore. Lacrosse is pretty big in Long Island and Massachusettes as well. Other than that? Just small pockets around the nation, usually where private schools are big.


That's cool. I've watched the champ game a few times on ESPN and it seems like a really fun sport to play. Glad kids in this area have that opportunity that we didnt have
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41142 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:24 am to
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Soccer will pass baseball within our lifetime.


Not a chance in hell.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:27 am to
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Not a chance in hell.

I'd say there's a pretty good chance in my lifetime. I'm only 25 and I can definitely see it happening.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41142 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:29 am to
I don't think you realize how popular baseball is. The Dodgers are looking at getting paid $6-7 Billion dollars for 3rd TV rights. 1/4 of billion fans attended professional baseball games the last two years.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:38 am to
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They formed their own team, Texas Islanders, that lasted for 2 seasons. They folded after the club was suspended for fighting and playing ineligible players. Surprising huh?!


No. Freaking. Way.

Good to hear about the Frisco side.

DARC's always been a decent side. I remember when they first formed as a combination of Dallas Our Gang and the Dallas Blues.

Posted by BIGDAB
Go for the Jugular
Member since Jun 2011
7468 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:39 am to
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And I know there are fewer games than NBA and NHL. But people are going and more people keep going.




LINK

after looking at this map and seating capacity of each stadium in, the avg of 17800 is not that impressive when most stadiums hold at least 20000 .
Posted by rugbyag
McKinney, Texas
Member since Sep 2011
1083 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:45 am to
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No. Freaking. Way.


There was probably a betting pool going around on how long they would last.

DARC had a good run when I was there, went to Final 4 in D3 my last year there. They are struggling now.

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I remember when they first formed as a combination of Dallas Our Gang and the Dallas Blues.

Lol, you are older than I am.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:45 am to
I understand how popular baseball is, but I'm also looking 50 years down the road. Soccer didn't start to catch on in the US until roughly 1990? So we're about on year 22? The age group of people that grew up with soccer is probably younger than 35? As the stats show, the MLS in its 16th season already has attendance levels on par with the NHL and NBA. In my view we're about 3 years into the second generation of soccer in the US.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20739 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:47 am to
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after looking at this map and seating capacity of each stadium in, the avg of 17800 is not that impressive when most stadiums hold at least 20000 .


Here you go

Based on capacity:

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87% average attendance across the league, up from 79.5% last season.


And this is with teams playing in larger shared venues. Still gets them pretty close to

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Remember, the NBA and NHL are both hovering around 90% average attendance, but every team has their own stadium


So when more soccer specific stadiums keep popping up, it will help that number even more
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141386 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:50 am to
It would be the "street" sports of basketball and soccer

And if it happens, then the Golden Age of American Sports will have come to an end
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:01 am to
This is what we (The USA) can do:

LINK

Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:10 am to
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Soccer didn't start to catch on in the US until roughly 1990? So we're about on year 22? The age group of people that grew up with soccer is probably younger than 35?

I love arbitrary start dates, but no. Ever hear of the New York Cosmos and the NASL? The Cosmos were huge. Like, sell out the Meadowlands huge. Founded in 1971, folded in 1985, probably reached its peak in popularity around 1977. That's when they fielded a lineup of Pele, Chinaglia, Carlos Alberto, and Franz Breckenbauer.

Soccer's been around America for a long time. If the NASL was founded in 1971, we're nearing in on the 50 year mark of soccer trying to become a major sport in the US.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:21 am to
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If the NASL was founded in 1971, we're nearing in on the 50 year mark of soccer trying to become a major sport in the US.


41 is nearing 50?

I get your point and agree to some extent, but there are things in the world today (cable, internet, etc) that didn't exist back then which has created more soccer fans.

However, if MLS wants to become legit, they need to start getting the Henrys and Beckhams of the world in their early to mid 20s instead of their mid to late 30s.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:21 am to
Yes, I know about the NASL. The MLS learned from the NASL mistakes, which is why it's growing in popularity. When I mentioned the early 90s, it was in reference to youth leagues. Even during the NASL days, you didn't see the youth movement in that happened in the 90s.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41142 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:23 am to
As George Will said soccer has the most potential for growth of any sport inAmerica, but it has been that way for the last 40 years.
Posted by jrous19
baton rouge
Member since Dec 2009
2983 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:23 am to
If I was back in highschool I would play either soccer or lacrosse, depending on my physical size
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:24 am to
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f the NASL was founded in 1971, we're nearing in on the 50 year mark of soccer trying to become a major sport in the US.



Which is why I'm still having major doubts about soccer becoming big.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:25 am to
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Henrys and Beckhams of the world in their early to mid 20s instead of their mid to late 30s.

That will take a little more time. That's one thing that killed the NASL. They threw a ton of money at top players and went bankrupt. The MLS has a very low salary cap and is raising it as the league grows financially.
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