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re: We need a real PG
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:08 am to death valley driver
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:08 am to death valley driver
Hey, you can't say anything bad about GV on this board, but he is BAD. We need to make a trade for a truly talented point guard if possible---Bledsoe? If not this must become a priority in free agency or the draft. Unfortunately, we also need an athletic center; Lopez works hard, but he just isn't a quality starter.
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:22 am to LSU4Life123
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We need to make a trade for a truly talented point guard if possible---Bledsoe?
He's not the first point guard to look good running a second team. I just don't think he is that much of an upgrade and the Clippers are going to ask for a lot for him.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:13 am to Jester
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He's not the first point guard to look good running a second team. I just don't think he is that much of an upgrade and the Clippers are going to ask for a lot for him
Yep. The constant Bledsoe talk is dumb because they can't get him. And how different is Bledsoe from the Jerryd Bayless Experience?
If Gordon comes back, things look a lot better in the backcourt. Still need talent upgrades, but dealing for Bledsoe right now is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:28 am to corndeaux
Meanwhile Kendall Marshall is in the D league for the Suns. 
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:45 am to BrowDown
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Meanwhile Kendall Marshall is in the D league for the Suns.
Not sure why this is frustrating. If he's in the D League, he's probably not the answer.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:56 am to Jester
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Not sure why this is frustrating. If he's in the D League, he's probably not the answer.
I was just a big advocate of his and he would have gotten playing time here, perhaps be starting over GV. Not saying he was worth the 10th pick, but we sure are better at SG than we are PG at this point.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:19 am to Jester
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I just don't think he is that much of an upgrade and the Clippers are going to ask for a lot for him.
I think he IS going to be that much of an upgrade. I think Bledsoe will be good. Much better than Vasquez.
But the second part of your statement is also true...we can't get him unless we give up way more than he is worth.
We do need an upgrade desperately though.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:38 am to Fun Bunch
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I think he IS going to be that much of an upgrade.
Based on what? He has a lower assist/turnover rate than Vasquez. Vasquez is a better shooter from 3P range (both this year and for their careers). He is an upgrade defensively, but none of his stats suggest he is a significant improvement over Vasquez. He also plays with MUCH more talented players around him than Vasquez does.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:42 am to Jester
Purely unscientific opinion based on one thing: Eyeball test. I watch him play and think he will be very good. I watch Vasquez play and think he's the very definition of mediocre. And yes I'm taking into account that vast gulf between the talent on both rosters.
So, strictly personal hunch based on seeing them both play. I don't even know what both of their stats are, to be honest.
So, strictly personal hunch based on seeing them both play. I don't even know what both of their stats are, to be honest.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 9:43 am
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
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Purely unscientific opinion based on one thing: Eyeball test. I watch him play and think he will be very good. I watch Vasquez play and think he's the very definition of mediocre. And yes I'm taking into account that vast gulf between the talent on both rosters.
So, strictly personal hunch based on seeing them both play. I don't even know what both of their stats are, to be honest.
Then we'll just have to disagree. Look at what the Clippers were willing to give up to replace him...
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:09 am to Jester
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Look at what the Clippers were willing to give up to replace him...
Huh?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
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Huh?
Chris Paul replaced Bledsoe
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:23 am to Jester
Um. You do realize that he was coming off a rookie year and a major injury? And that they refused to give up Bledsoe as part of the deal?
Besides, players develop. Bledsoe is playing well this year.
Besides, players develop. Bledsoe is playing well this year.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:31 am to Fun Bunch
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You do realize that he was coming off a rookie year and a major injury?
Chris Paul was coming off a major injury...
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And that they refused to give up Bledsoe as part of the deal?
They refused to give up Bledsoe AND Gordon. That's a huge distinction. The Hornets apparently had their choice of Bledsoe or Gordon and chose Gordon.
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Besides, players develop. Bledsoe is playing well this year.
He has the same years of experience as Vasquez and his numbers do not suggest he is much better. Is Vasquez incapable of developing? He may very well be an upgrade over Vasquez, but I'm not seeing it. Either way, the upgrade is small and the price is high.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:38 am to Lester Earl
I like it Lester. DJ would be awesome.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:49 am to Jester
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Chris Paul was coming off a major injury...
His last season here he was coming off a major injury. It's not like he had his injury and signed with the clippers the next year.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:53 am to Hazelnut
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His last season here he was coming off a major injury. It's not like he had his injury and signed with the clippers the next year.
I get that, but they were the same injuries, a torn meniscus. If they expected Paul to be 100%, logic holds that they would think the same about Bledsoe (only a year later). This tells me they didn't think he was the answer at PG long-term. Otherwise, you don't trade in all of your chips for Chris Paul. You don't give up that much for a 2 year rental.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:54 am to Jester
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They refused to give up Bledsoe AND Gordon. That's a huge distinction. The Hornets apparently had their choice of Bledsoe or Gordon and chose Gordon.
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But Tuesday night, the Hornets (on behalf of themselves, or with the league's prompting; we'll probably never know) called back. They wanted to take one more pass at it. Roeser contnued talks with Litvin, but the Clippers made it clear: one first-round pick, not both, and either Gordon or Bledsoe, not both. They would have one opportunity to convince Sterling that this was worth doing; Sterling isn't interested in process. When they went to Sterling, it would be to set up a trade call, not to continue haggling. There couldn't be any more negotiating. If the Clippers had to start the season with Billups and Gordon in the backcourt, and Butler, Griffin and Kaman up front, with Williams and Jordan coming off the bench, they could live with that. And they could sell that to their fans.
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:56 am to Jester
Which means they valued Bledsoe as much as Gordon.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
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Which means they valued Bledsoe as much as Gordon.
You are applying extremely faulty logic there. If I'm willing to pay $1 for something, but not $1.50, your logic would posit that $1 and $0.50 are of equal value to me.
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