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01 MATT
WIETERS C,ORIOLES
1.054: His on-base plus slugging percentage in 2008 between two minor league levels.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
11 TREVOR
CAHILL RHP, ATHLETICS
2.25: ERA for Team USA in two Olympic starts last season en route to a bronze medal
Opening Day Age: 21 ETA: 2009
02 DAVID
PRICE LHP, RAYS
109: Strikeouts, in 110 minor league innings, between three levels last season.
Opening Day Age: 23 ETA: 2009
12 PEDRO
ALVAREZ 3B, PIRATES
9/24: Date he signed with the Pirates—more than a month after the Aug. 15 deadline—after the union's grievance on his behalf.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
03 COLBY
RASMUS OF, CARDINALS
2005: Year he led Russell County High to Alabama and national championships, when he also was a first-round pick.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
13 MIKE
MOUSTAKAS 3B, ROYALS
1992: The last time a teenager led the Midwest League in homers, before he did it with 22 in 2008.
Opening Day Age: 20 ETA: 2010
04 TOMMY
HANSON RHP, BRAVES
49: Strikeouts in just 29 innings in the Arizona Fall League, when he became the first pitcher to win the league MVP award.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
14 BUSTER
POSEY C, GIANTS
.879: Division I-best slugging percentage for Florida State last spring, when he won BA's College Player of the Year award.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2010
05 JASON
HEYWARD OF, BRAVES
14: Overall pick in the 2007 draft where the Braves nabbed Heyward, who wasn't expected to fall that far.
Opening Day Age: 19 ETA: 2010
15 DEXTER
FOWLER OF, ROCKIES
14: Round in which he was drafted; he signed for $925,000, turning down a Miami scholarship.
Opening Day Age: 23 ETA: 2009
06 TRAVIS
SNIDER OF, BLUE JAYS
50: Minor league homers in 305 career games.
Opening Day Age: 21 ETA: 2009
16 MIKE
STANTON OF, MARLINS
.988: OPS away from Greensboro's cozy NewBridge Bank Park; it was .996 at home.
Opening Day Age: 19 ETA: 2010
07 BRETT
ANDERSON LHP, ATHLETICS
10.11: Strikeouts per nine innings he compiled in 2008 between two levels.
Opening Day Age: 21 ETA: 2009
17 LARS
ANDERSON 1B, RED SOX
.404: Career OBP in 252 career minor league games.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
08 CAMERON
MAYBIN OF, MARLINS
8/18/07: Date when he hit his first big league homer—off Roger Clemens.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
18 LOGAN
MORRISON 1B, MARLINS
29: RBIs in 25 games he played in the AFL while hitting .404.
Opening Day Age: 21 ETA: 2010
09 MADISON
BUMGARNER LHP, GIANTS
1.46: His minor league-best ERA last season at low Class A Augusta.
Opening Day Age: 19 ETA: 2010
19 ALCIDES
ESCOBAR SS, BREWERS
5.44: His range factor last season—best among shortstops in BA's Prospect Handbook, and another way to say he's an elite defender.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009
10 NEFTALI
FELIZ RHP, RANGERS
3: Home runs allowed last season in 127 innings.
Opening Day Age: 20 ETA: 2009
20 GORDON
BECKHAM SS, WHITE SOX
28: Home runs he hit for Georgia last season, tied for the NCAA Division I lead.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009


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barry
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Are you saying he won't be a stud?


I'm saying he has a chance to be but its in no way guaranteed. Its a calculated risk. High Reward. High Risk. I'm not saying that the rays didn't even "win" the trade, which is just silly when one side is all prospects, I'm just trying to temper shite like worst trade in mlb history

Be somewhat weary of power numbers of Royals AAA guys. Werner park in their AAA club is a joke of a stadium.


bonus:
"He just creates excitement with his play--period. I see him as a guy who could potentially hit in the middle of a lineup and drive in runs, be a real exciting Carlos Beltran-type player."

Guess who this was said off, it wasn't someone on the list but its someone from that years ranking in the top 30, i almost pissed my pants.



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GynoSandberg
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Sounds like Drew Stubbs





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Vicks Kennel Club
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Heyman does not know shite when it comes to prospects or their value.

Always declares the team who gets more MLB talent the winner of trades.

Maybe because they "win" the trade more often than not.

I think that prospects tend to be generally overvalued, but I am surprised at how little (in comparison to most trades) Tampa had to get a blue chip prospect. It seems like somewhat of a steal for Tampa.






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barry
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Sounds like Drew Stubbs



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Lester Earl
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if you trade him you need to land someone with less miles on him. That's all I'm saying.

Myers has a higher perceived value than that, and by all accounts is a cant miss. Plus he's near major league ready



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barry
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if you trade him you need to land someone with less miles on him. That's all I'm saying.


Fair statement, like i said i was trying to temper the extreme opposing views






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Ham Malone
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As a huge Royals fan I'm in mourning tonight. This is the worst trade in our long history of terrible trades. All so we have the threat of winning 80 games next year. Nothing wrong with Wil Myers, guy will be a star. And we gave him away for dog shite.





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tduecen
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Royals GM Dayton Moore has told us for years to “trust the process.” For better or worse, he put forth his endgame on Sunday night, sacrificing top prospects Wil Myers and Jake Odorizzi, not to mention third baseman Patrick Leonard and left-hander Mike Montgomery, in order to bring in James Shields and Wade Davis from the Rays.

In so doing, it looks like he jumped the gun. The process just wasn’t working out as hoped. The Royals had increased their win totals three straight years, but not hardly enough to matter. They won 65 games in 2009, 67 in 2010, 71 in 2011 and 72 in 2012.

And that’s the problem. These Royals weren’t two players away. At least not these two players. Maybe the 2014 Royals would have been. But the odds were against Moore being in charge of the 2014 Royals unless the team took a big step forward next season.

What we have here is a general manager who put his own best interests ahead of those of his team. And probably bought himself an extra year of employment as a reward.

That’s not to say it couldn’t work out. Shields is heckuva a pitcher, albeit not as good of one as Tropicana Field has made it seem (Shields has a 3.33 ERA at home and a 4.54 ERA on the road in his career). Davis seemed to find his niche as a reliever last season, though odds are that the Royals will take another look at him as a starter. Myers has very rare power for a right-handed hitter, but if last year’s strikeout rate is a sign of things to come, he might not post strong OBPs in the majors.

In the end, this trade will likely be judged on two factors: the Royals making the postseason and whether Myers turns into a star. I doubt he’ll be any sort of bust, but he might be more of a .250-.260 hitter than a perennial All-Star. My guess is that he ends up more in the Nick Swisher class of quality regular than something truly extraordinary.

Of course, Orodizzi should be overlooked, either. The best of the minor leaguers the Royals got from the Brewers in the Zack Greinke trade, he’s a potential No. 3 starter for the Rays.

As things stand now, these are your 2013 Royals:

Rotation: Shields, Jeremy Guthrie, Ervin Santana, Bruce Chen, Luke Hochevar
Bullpen: Greg Holland, Aaron Crow, Tim Collins, Davis, Kelvin Herrera, Louis Coleman, Francisley Bueno

Lineup: CF Lorenzo Cain, SS Alcides Escobar, LF Alex Gordon, DH Billy Butler, 1B Eric Hosmer, C Salvador Perez, 3B Mike Moustakas, RF Jeff Francoeur, 2B Chris Getz

Bench: C Brett Hayes, INF Tony Abreu, OF Jarrod Dyson, INF Irving Falu

Could that be a wild card team? It’s conceivable. The lineup certainly looks solid, especially 3-7. Shields is good enough to front a contending rotation, and Guthrie is a fair enough three or four. The bullpen should also be very strong, even if it’s filled with a bunch of relative no-names.






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GynoSandberg
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Heyman is good

Pretty sure he is a Tampa guy






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volfan30
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Heyman is good









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Dubosed
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No wonder why the Royals have been shitty for so long





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OneMoreTime
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I'm kinda hard right now





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papz
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I like this deal for both teams. While Myers is a great prospect, he still is a prospect. Kudos for the Royals for upgrading their staff with 2 starters and dealing Myers. No guts no glory. Rays did well for themselves as they're stacked with young starters while not having to give one up and landing a prospect of Myers caliber.

I would rather be on the Rays side, but it's a good deal for both parties.






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TheOcean
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Not sure if I'd consider Davis a legit starter. I think if it were Shields and one of our younger pitching prospects it would have been a more even trade





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floridatigah
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@JeffPassan Myers for Shields not only straight-up deal Royals tried. Offered Myers to A's for Brett Anderson & were turned down too


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Maybe the Royals and others didn't view Myers the way everybody else does. But Shields is still 31 and only locked up for 2 years and the other prospects the Rays are receiving make it crazy for the Royals.

If you look at what teams got for Latos, Pineda, and Gio last offseason it really doesn't seem to add up for the Royals. I guess the real difference to the Royals is Shields is an 'ace' and those guys weren't, even if you're getting extra years and cheap labor.

Be interested to see what the Rays do with the extra money in their budget, some are speculating could try to swipe Youk from the Yanks.






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Baloo
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I have some good friends who are Royals fans. They can't even speak right now they are so pissed off. I feel them.

BTW - this is the deal the Rangers should have made. They ARE a pitcher away (provided they sign Hamilton or trade for Upton)






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Lester Earl
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A bunch of teams were in on Shields, no doubt drove the price up. Sucks for the royals





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floridatigah
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As a fan of a shitty team, you live vicariously through your farm system. To lose your top two prospects including a top 5 guy has to be devastating. I'm sure their distrust in Moore didn't help the mood they are in today.

I think the return is why the Rangers didn't get involved. They could get Dickey for half the prospects and he'll probably give you the same caliber pitcher for the next two seasons.






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RollDatRoll
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Shields is an 'ace'








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