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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:09 pm to Gmorgan4982)
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An ever-increasing number of stupid laws, especially drug laws, leads to this.
The ever increasing stupid laws are part of our new superior morality. People have to be forced into being "moral."
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:09 pm to Powerman)
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I like how this objectifying of women is somehow worse than slavery where an entire race of people were treated like animals
So ridiculous
where did I say this?
all I'm saying is that not everything has gotten better like you seem to be saying.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:11 pm to Powerman)
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I like how this objectifying of women is somehow worse than slavery where an entire race of people were treated like animals
So ridiculous
until like 90-100 years ago or so women were cum depositories and producers of frick trophies
so yeah i think we've advanced a little in terms of women's treatment and equality
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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a big reason for our drop in crime. likely the biggest. that's a good thing if true
So, suggesting that the crime rate is improving or especially the violent crime statistics improving suggest a higher morality? I would say it has to do more with the folks that would have been committing the crimes are in prison instead of on the streets and has nothing to do with changing morals.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:15 pm to catholictigerfan)
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where did I say this?
The fact that you're still on the fence about this in light of the fact that slavery has been eradicated here is insane.
Where is the confusion coming from?
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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until like 90-100 years ago or so women were cum depositories and producers of frick trophies
Right
Women have always been objectified
And in the past they were all but completely marginalized in society
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:19 pm to Diamondawg)
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So, suggesting that the crime rate is improving or especially the violent crime statistics improving suggest a higher morality? I would say it has to do more with the folks that would have been committing the crimes are in prison instead of on the streets and has nothing to do with changing morals.
i think it's a moral choice of a society to tolerate a higher % of its population being jailed in order to crate a more cohesive/safe society
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:22 pm to Powerman)
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Right
Women have always been objectified
And in the past they were all but completely marginalized in society
i think women moving to a more equal treatment by society in terms of enjoying sex and being provocative in their free lives is an advancement of morality. many social conservatives will disagree, but their arguments are largely based in objectifying women, in my mind (the need to protect women or allow them power via pussy)
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i think women moving to a more equal treatment by society in terms of enjoying sex and being provocative in their free lives is an advancement of morality
Right
Sex is something that is meant to be enjoyed. Not something that is an object of shame like these puritan a-holes want it to be.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:27 pm to Powerman)
well, to be fair, this is an example of very different definitions of morality
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro)
Sure
There will be areas of debate. But this is about the bigger picture.
I think we have too many non violent criminals in jail and that's an area where we could improve. Acknowledging things are better isn't declaring that we are now in some utopia. It's just acknowledging that we've come a long way.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:49 pm to Powerman)
I don't think our morals have improved greatly other than govt laws preventing certain actions. In fact, I think we are to the point that most things that aren't against the law are actioned on very selfishly.
I'm extremely disheartened when I hear people discuss taking advantage of a system; whether its a business run system or govt. and these are people that are upper middle class.
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:23 pm to Powerman)
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The fact that you're still on the fence about this in light of the fact that slavery has been eradicated here is insane.
Where is the confusion coming from?
one word ABORTION
because the unborn is a human being deserving rights I see the killing of now almost 56 million innocent human beings by abortion as worse then an enslavement of an entire race, women not having equal rights to man, Japs losing their rights during the war, blacks not having equal rights. Abortion is worse then all of those things maybe even combined. The fact that this culture is ok with abortion and many fight hard to keep it legal and widely available is why I question if our morals have improved. the sexual revolution is a side note to the horrible practice of abortion.
btw don't try this abortion has decreased in the last 20 years yeah but slavery didn't end in the 90s the civil rights movement was before the 90s WWII wasn't in the 90s, if you were to go and compare when each of the things you brought up ended abortion will be way up sense then. So again to me the killing of millions a year (in our own country) is worse then slavery, womens suffrage, slavery and any other example maybe other then Nazi Germany you can bring up.
if you want to say in the last 20 years we have improved sure I can agree to that, but in the last century have we improved I'm not to sure.
again it all has to do with abortion. This objectifying of women stuff I believe is part of the lowing of morals but doesn't size up to abortion.
oh and even if we are seeing a decrease in abortion people are treating abortion like an afterthought now some political issue that is killing the GOP. So it seems the killing of millions of innocent human beings is being put on the back burner. That would be like knowing Hitler is killing millions of jews and handicap and you saying oh it hurts my favorite parties political platform to try and stop hitler.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:38 pm to Powerman)
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Slavery ended
Simply not true. It's still done openly in some parts of the world and it exists in the US even though it's illegal.
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We aren't putting people in internment camps based on their nationality
We have a place called Gitmo that you may have heard of. We also have a government that engages in the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. Not to mention NDAA which allows the federal government to kidnap US citizens on US soil and disappear them. How enlightened and moral.
It's good that we did away with segregation and expanded suffrage, but that doesn't excuse our current activities. We aren't better, as a country or as a world, than we were in the past.
It's just that American society has chosen victims in other countries to replace those in our own.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:45 pm to catholictigerfan)
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one word ABORTION
So abortion being legal is such a moral outrage that it trumps slavery?
Surely you can't be serious
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger)
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Simply not true. It's still done openly in some parts of the world and it exists in the US even though it's illegal.
Yes in some 3rd world countries slavery is still legal
And what small amount of slavery that exists in the U.S. today illegally pales in comparison to what it was prior to the civil war
Slavery was the social norm then. Hence the discussion being about morality of societies. Now it is almost universally condemned in the first world. Then it was pretty much a toss up so long as you weren't a slave yourself.
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DCRebel
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:47 pm to Diamondawg)
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So, suggesting that the crime rate is improving or especially the violent crime statistics improving suggest a higher morality? I would say it has to do more with the folks that would have been committing the crimes are in prison instead of on the streets and has nothing to do with changing morals.
Well I'd say you're wrong.
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DCRebel
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:49 pm to catholictigerfan)
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because the unborn is a human being deserving rights
But that's the debate, CTF. Not everyone would agree with that sentiment, and therefore not everyone would agree with this:
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I see the killing of now almost 56 million innocent human beings by abortion as worse then an enslavement of an entire race, women not having equal rights to man, Japs losing their rights during the war, blacks not having equal rights.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:54 pm to DCRebel)
I have a hard time believing that this value on the unborn thing isn't actually new itself also
Would people in the 1840s have a problem with aborting fetuses? I would have to imagine probably not. A society that enslaves people doesn't value human life. It sure as shite wouldn't care about fetuses.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:10 pm to catholictigerfan)
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again it all has to do with abortion
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because the unborn is a human being deserving rights I see the killing of now almost 56 million innocent human beings by abortion as worse then an enslavement of an entire race, women not having equal rights to man, Japs losing their rights during the war, blacks not having equal rights. Abortion is worse then all of those things maybe even combined
ok since your position is intractable, i assume you're not going to continue to post in this thread?
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