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There will, sooner rather than later, come a time when people will look back on this "Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve" nonsense the same way we look at these ignorant frick in the above picture and shake their heads.


Steve can't bear a child.






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I can re-wind to the time that the bible was written, and there's nothing in there against people of two different races getting married / loving one another.


Apparently one of the signs of the end of the world in Revelation is one race, as told to me by a Baptist. That is probably why a lot of conservative religions don't like interracial marriage.






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Nah, they're not going to be "forced" into doing anything.

I do find it interesting to watch religion change as public perception and attitudes change.

The Mormon Church , for example, has had a new "revelation" and they now say that being gay is not a choice. They now say that gays should just not act on these feelings and go through life not loving anyone or being loved. This change in their official position is partly a result of the enormous backlash they received for initiating and funding the lion's share of Prop 8. They have launched a website this week to explain their new official stance. This is just one example of how religion strives to remain relevant in a changing world.

I've no doubt that within a couple of decades most branches of Christianity will support gay marriage if they want to remain relevant. Several already do and many are in the process of "evolving".






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gays should just....go through life not....being loved.

You certainly have a head start on that.






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Apparently one of the signs of the end of the world in Revelation is one race, as told to me by a Baptist. That is probably why a lot of conservative religions don't like interracial marriage.


Probably a difference between north and south - I don't think churches up here give a rat's ass, unless it's Judiasm in which case some sects don't like their women going outside the tribe.






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I can see a day when Southern Baptists, for instance, are seen in society the same way that the KKK is now, primarily because they think homosexuality is a sin. That will be a real game changer in America, I think.



I agree with you. I think that's why they are and some other denominations are fighting against this so hard. I think the "we're going to be forced to marry gays in our church " is just an excuse and a weak argument for the most part. Their real fear is how the public is going to perceive them.






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In one of the most most far left whacko states out there, the People's Republic of Mary(fantasy)land, the ballot measure barely passed 52-48. If you can only get 52% of the vote in that nutjob state, there's not a f*cking chance that this will be considered "normal" or mainstream for AT LEAST another hundred years.



The thing is is that it is now passing. You can't go on any of your little childish rants about how gay marriage has never won at the ballot box any more. IT WON IN FOUR STATES THIS YEAR. Oregon is planning a repeal for 2014. Rhode Island, Delaware, Illinois, Minnesota, and Hawaii are expected to legalize within the next two years. New Jersey will too as soon as Christie is gone. Nate Silver says that by 2024 there will be no state that will pass an anti gay marriage amendment because support will be at the tipping point, even in the deep red states. I believe him.






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Apparently one of the signs of the end of the world in Revelation is one race, as told to me by a Baptist


That's interesting. I've never heard that one.






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I think that's why they are and some other denominations are fighting against this so hard.

Or just maybe it has something to do with the Bible saying homosexuality is a sin? Just maybe??






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Or just maybe it has something to do with the Bible saying homosexuality is a sin? Just maybe??



Unless they are Orthodox Jews, I didn't think the Old Testament applied to them. If that's not the case, I expect to see equal disdain for eating shellfish, shaving their faces, and wearing blended fabrics.






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eating shellfish, shaving their faces, and wearing blended fabrics.

Those were commandments in the OT.

Homosexuality was not. It was a principle.






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Homosexuality was not. It was a principle.





You need to stick to talking about money and the Federal Reserve.






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Their real fear is how the public is going to perceive them


Howd that work for Chick Fil A?






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Okay, gulaboi, try Romans 1:26-27. The last I heard that was in the New Testament.

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Romans 1:26-27 New International Version (NIV)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.


You'd better stick with.......remind me again, what the frick IS your area of expertise???

And in case you forgot, I'm an atheist.






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Howd that work for Chick Fil A?



Meh, give it a few years. We saw this year with gay marriage passing in four states the direction the country is going. Just because a bunch of evangelicals made a pilgrimage to a fast food restaurant to tell the world they hate gays isn't a really good gauge.






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And in case you forgot, I'm an atheist.



I didn't know you didn't believe in God. I thought you were just one of the non religious types (probably a back slidden Catholic )

I wouldn't really trust the NIV any way. That book was translated with the bias of the translators evident.

That's about the only verse in the NT I believe. I don't give a shite anyway.






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Yes they will, and they will be forced to pay taxes.

I saw this coming when Europe started arresting pastors and clergy for stating while giving sermons that the Bible teaches it's wrong.

1- Face arrest
2- Taxes
3- and nothing you can do with about.






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quote: Or just maybe it has something to do with the Bible saying homosexuality is a sin? Just maybe?? Unless they are Orthodox Jews, I didn't think the Old Testament applied to them. If that's not the case, I expect to see equal disdain for eating shellfish, shaving their faces, and wearing blended fabrics.


Toddy, this is a poor argument that really needs to be retired by thinking people. Dan Savage and his ilk really show their ignorance when they bring this up.

Homosexuality is clearly denounced in the New Testament as well, as are all forms of sexual activity outside of man/woman marriage. It is in a completely different category than shellfish or interwoven fabrics.

But, I digress. This is not a "religion" thread, per se. It is about the Law and the First Amendment and the Constitution and IF the government might force churches to accept homosexuals on the basis of non-discrimination by limiting their access in the public square.

I am thinking of Christian groups on college campuses, Christian charities, etc, who agree with the Bible - both Old and New Testaments - that homosexuality is sin. Will those groups no longer have a place in the new American society? And, if so, how is this not discriminating on the basis of religion, something a liberal, tolerant society is not supposed to do?







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There is no difference between a Catholic church not allowing two Non Catholics to get married. The only difference is that there is no rememdy for the same sex couple.





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That's about the only verse in the NT I believe.
So what?

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I don't give a shite anyway.

You obviously do. Stop lying.

ETA: The King James version, if you prefer:
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Romans 1:26-27 King James Version (KJV)

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was met.



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