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el duderino III 
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:49 pm to Powerman)
but as to the op:
1st topic - yes. I think everyone is aware of it at some level, but at the same time, I don't believe it to be black and white, i think it's more like a spectrum for political messages, as some of them can be considered propaganda but also contain grains of truth
2nd topic - i interpret this as "the public is dumb, and only the enlightened like myself REALLY know whats going on". i mean, what is his message implying, that the media has been constantly colluding with the government? for what political purpose? I think he is used to living in the cold war era, and hasn't really adjusted to the modern speed of the flow of information. when was the second quote made?
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Powerman 
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:53 pm to el duderino III)
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i interpret this as "the public is dumb, and only the enlightened like myself REALLY know whats going on"
I didn't really get that. As much as anything else I figured it to be just an acknowledgement of ignorance.
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:58 pm to Powerman)
exactly - an acknowledgement of the ignorance of the public. unless you mean his own ignorance, in which case i would say, then why did he choose to say the image presented to "the public". if he was acknowledging his his ignorance he would have said, "to us"
ETA: that was written in 2002. It would be far more understandable if it had been written in the cold war era, but that's a pretty arrogant thing to claim in today's world, with the amount of information people have access to and nowhere near the political climate. I can't stand arrogance, and one thing chomsky is a master at is routinely saying obscenely arrogant things while appearing to only be interested in the well being of the people.
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mograyback 
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:06 pm to el duderino III)
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exactly - an acknowledgement of the ignorance of the public. unless you mean his own ignorance, in which case i would say, then why did he choose to say the image presented to "the public". if he was acknowledging his his ignorance he would have said, "to us"
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Powerman
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:09 pm to el duderino III)
Is he not part of the public?
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:11 pm to Powerman)
he's making the point that the image presented is lies, and nobody knows the difference, so do you really think he's talking about himself?
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:12 pm to mograyback)
and you have been laughed out of every thread you have ever started on this board, please dont start your bull shite again
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Powerman
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:13 pm to el duderino III)
Sure why not. He doesn't claim to know what's REALLY going on.
He only claims to be clever enough to know he is being bullshiteted
I don't think that's too arrogant or crazy. Seems pretty reasonable actually.
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REG861 
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
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Everything is always wrong, yet there are no real tangible solutions for anything other than complaining about it.
So Noam is an LSU fan?
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mograyback
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:15 pm to el duderino III)
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el duderino III
I'll laugh when something is funny, and your responses are pretty funny.. keep em comin'.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:20 pm to Powerman)
The classic: Chomsky v Buckley
To be fair, Buckley basically implodes his argument by his ludicrous first premise.
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:21 pm to Powerman)
then agree to disagree, im too tired to get in a long tread, but that theme is an extremely common one among liberal intellectuals. chomsky is extremely intelligent, but largely a waste of potential IMHO. the guy could've done anything, instead he was content to spend his entire life in academia, lecturing about how bad people are.
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:23 pm to Bayou Sam)
yeah, im a huge buckley fan, but he already had a near impossible argument to make going into that debate. then he immediately made it worse, and then he tried to pull it off anyways by just interrupting him a thousand times.
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mograyback
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:24 pm to el duderino III)
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then agree to disagree, im too tired to get in a long tread, but that theme is an extremely common one among liberal intellectuals. chomsky is extremely intelligent, but largely a waste of potential IMHO. the guy could've done anything, instead he was content to spend his entire life in academia, lecturing about how bad people are
Chomsky comes across almost as arrogant and all knowing as you claim him to be..
And maybe he wasn't driven by money or the type of person one must be to make it in the business world. Can't knock a guy for wanting to remain in a position that allows him to teach. I'm glad we have people willing to dedicate themselves to gaining knowledge.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:28 pm to el duderino III)
Well, there are different complaints about Chomsky, but I've never heard that his problem is sticking to academia. His strictly academic career is beyond dispute and universally lauded (even among people who disagree)--i.e., philosophy of linguistics.
His problem is branching out into being a public intellectual. His thoughtful critiques far too quickly turn into demonizing America and idealizing those who resist it.
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:03 am to Bayou Sam)
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His problem is branching out into being a public intellectual. His thoughtful critiques far too quickly turn into demonizing America and idealizing those who resist it.
that's what i'm saying. He had his moment in the seventies, but then he slinked off out of the spotlight, and in doing so never let anyone publicly challenge him on his philosophies. There should be a chomsky-buckley style debate as often as possible, and they should be discussed as often as possible. many of the same moral issues with the iraq invasion were common to vietnam, yet the highest level of thought in a discussion on it the public had access to was bill maher-sean hannity type nonsense.
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mograyback
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:13 am to el duderino III)
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el duderino III
I'm pretty sure Chomsky has put many books into circulation, done thousands of speeches, appeared on many shows, and engaged in many notable debates over the time span you're saying he 'slinked out of the spotlight'. And there is a reason the spotlight doesn't find him more often.. thought provoking perspectives that go against the establishment aren't usually the front of the spotlight line..
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el duderino III
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:55 am to mograyback)
i'm talking about debates with figures known to the public on issues relatable to the public. not philosophical discussions oriented towards academics. besides buckley and hitchens, i dont think much of anything chomsky has done would fall into that category. people consider him to be a "leader" of leftist intellectual thought, i'm saying he should go be that leader, and engage people in the public eye, but it's more or less too late now.
btw, this is the last time i'm going to respond to something you post. I seriously doubt you can even comprehend a single issue chomsky or anyone else you claim to be "influenced" by has ever written or discussed. you are exponentially worse than a troll - you are a troll who actually believes what he posts
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REG861
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:02 am to el duderino III)
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There should be a chomsky-buckley style debate as often as possible, and they should be discussed as often as possible. many of the same moral issues with the iraq invasion were common to vietnam, yet the highest level of thought in a discussion on it the public had access to was bill maher-sean hannity type nonsense.
Hitchens took on all comers in debating Iraq, and there were some enlightening ensuing debates, but unfortunately the public discourse these days means that 99% of the public was content to watch Maher-Hannity type shite
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mograyback
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| re: Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting (Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:10 am to REG861)
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but unfortunately the public discourse these days means that 99% of the public was content to watch Maher-Hannity type shite
brave new world.
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