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LSUBS88
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re: Coordination of LSU's offense


Give it to first running back, 20 carries, 100 yards, pass a few times in between but not on 2nd n 2 or 3rd n 2. Give it to next running back, 20 carries, 100 yards, throw few times in between but not on 2nd n 2 or 3rd n 2. Game over





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Zipfer2022
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I am bored so I will give you a very long, comprehensive answer. My biggest problem with the offense in general is the ultra conservative philosophy. Les wants to shorten the game and let the D win in a nail biter in the 4th. I disagree with this because the talent is there on offense to be so much better. For example, if the Tigers ever have the ball inside the 5 yard line they are going to run it no matter what. If the D is selling out to the run there, why not take a shot? I would just like to see a more attacking, aggressive style. Another example is LSU never seems to want to get the ball back before half to give their O a chance to score. Maybe this is because LSU has one of the worst 2 minute drills in football, but I can't recall ever seeing a team as content to go into the locker room as LSU regardless of the score. I would like to see much more misdirection, motion before the snap, RB screens and draws from under center.

I also feel like Les needs to allow Mett to audible at his discretion. For example, give him the option of throwing it on a run play if he feels like the D is cheating up too much. Let him read the defense pre snap and adjust rather than look over to the sideline for instruction. Sure he would have made some mistakes, but in the long run it would pay off. If he sees one on one coverage with a huge speed mismatch on the outside because the other team is stacking the box, let him take advantage.

As far as personnel is concerned, I've never really agreed with giving Ware 10+ carries a game. The majority of his runs are just a wasted play. Some would argue the running into a brick wall strategy wears out the defense over the game. I disagree. I think it puts the offense in bad long distance situations and gives the defense confidence.

Ford and Hilliard were extremely underutilized this year. Ford is the most explosive player on the team, and he gets one carry against Arky? You would also think the TE position would be utilized more in such a run heavy scheme.

Formation wise, I would love to see a true Wildcat installed for a change of pace (not a wildcat where the RB is directly under center like LSU uses which is stupid). How about using a 2RB formation on shotgun passes also? Why not have more than 1 RB on the field at the same time when it is your most talented position.

Like I said earlier, the big problem is a mindset change. A more aggressive mentality must be installed for this team to ever improve and reach an elite level to complement the stellar LSU defense.






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Cracking
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re: Coordination of LSU's offense


Haven't read the whole thread, but the bottom line is formations and predictability.

I hate watching the offense line up with a heavy formation on 4th and short against Bama and run directly into the teeth of a crowded line of scrimmage. Basically Miles/Stud think they can beat everyone in one-on-one match ups. Bama is every bit as talented as LSU if not more talented on the line. In short yardage, the formation is usually some heavy bunch formation with a lead into the middle of the line. While this works against sub-talented teams on the line, it doesn't against lines like UF and Bama. How often do you see Miles/Stud spread the field on a short yardage? Whether it is run or pass, spreading the field doesn't lend to predictability. Also spreading the field on short yardage may open more running lanes.

This is just one example, but 9 times out of 10 you can predict run/pass if you watch LSU's formation.

I just feel the offense plays into tendencies and they don't try and vary formation to give the defense any questions about those tendencies.

The short yardage pass against West Virginia last year is seared into my brain because it is the only time I can remember LSU running a pass on short yardage when 99% of everyone watching the game probably predicted a run.






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Mayhawman
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a QB can get in a rhythm through short drops and play action.

Execution. PA was missed, dropped and hurried. You lose part of your protection scheme with PA and others have to slide in.
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creates easy throws for a QB to get into a rhythm.
Timing routes are only easy throws when WRs run clean, consistent routes. It can be easier with reads and throwing to open man with not so great route runners.






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RobRocknRoll
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i agree that alot of it is falling-into this pattern of our top-talent demolishes alot of teams yet it DOES NOT work that way against the Fla & Bama's of the world.

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Play action makes life on olineman a little easier. As my uncle who played oline at LSU in the early 80's put it, "Pass blocking is a bitch, but run blocking is just hitting the shite out of people". We used 0 play action early on in the season. ..
I think play action could have solved some of our early offensive shittyness


YEP.

Our tempo & play selection seems odd & erratic to be honest--

The 1 thing i notice, year after year:
we get 100 % out of our defense, game-in-game-out...

Yet we're always underachieving w/ respect to Off skill positions re: QB & receiver--

it's not here n there,
it is year after year @ this point.








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loyalauron
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Is it lack of establishing a rhythm in play calling (ie feel for the game), lack of creating mismatches through formation, lack of diversity in plays, too few formations to run plays out of, lack of balance with run/pass, improper utilization of talent....??



All of the above.






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USMCTiger03
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Well said. To sum, IMO, one-dimensional and predictable versus three-dimensional and hard to predict.





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Chimlim
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As much as people here hate it, I don't really see that it's a scheme problem.


Ehhhhh... scheme is an issue when you insistently run up the middle against 9 in the box. Coaches must find a way to make the defense pay for stacking the box. They didn't do that much this season. If we can't find a way to make the defense pay for stacking the box - this offense will continue to be a headache.






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Croozin2
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Which is why we did it only once or twice.


To me, this further drives the point home. Why try it even twice? That's two plays you wasted. The defense knows Mett isn't going to keep and sells out on the pitch. If it's successful at all, it's due to the back making a great move or beating someone to the corner. You can do that with a straight pitch.

Let's try something really radical - maybe some misdirection in the run game instead of just trying to punch defenses right in the mouth.






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