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re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:16 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:16 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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At one point I might have agreed. But I think those times are past. Arky has better access to Texas talent, as well as North Louisiana. And it's a lot closer to Memphis than UT is.
If anything, I'd give the edge to Arky right now, but it would be a slight edge.
OK, but for what little talent in-state talent Arkansas produces, we don't have to fight other programs for it like Tennessee does.
What is that is that worth?
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:26 pm to DaleDenton
AS far as recruiting goes, both schools have a lot of room for improvement.
Facilities wise, UT has a razor thin edge on Arky almost solely due to Neyland being as big as it is. That being said, from a visitor's standpoint RRS >>>> Neyland and it ain't close.
The proximity to Texas and North Louisiana, as well as Memphis, are what make Arky a slightly better job IMO than UT. There's simply more athletes within 300 miles of Fayettenam than there are Div schools to sign them.
UT, on the other hand, has to contend with Vandy, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, USCe, Clemson, and the ACC schools.
Given a choice of jobs, I'd pick Arky over UT. That's just how I see it.
Facilities wise, UT has a razor thin edge on Arky almost solely due to Neyland being as big as it is. That being said, from a visitor's standpoint RRS >>>> Neyland and it ain't close.
The proximity to Texas and North Louisiana, as well as Memphis, are what make Arky a slightly better job IMO than UT. There's simply more athletes within 300 miles of Fayettenam than there are Div schools to sign them.
UT, on the other hand, has to contend with Vandy, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, USCe, Clemson, and the ACC schools.
Given a choice of jobs, I'd pick Arky over UT. That's just how I see it.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:30 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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The proximity to Texas and North Louisiana, as well as Memphis, are what make Arky a slightly better job IMO than UT. There's simply more athletes within 300 miles of Fayettenam than there are Div schools to sign them.
UT, on the other hand, has to contend with Vandy, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, USCe, Clemson, and the ACC schools.
Yeah, mentioning all the talent available is fine, but you can only sign 25 or so each year...
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:32 pm to DaleDenton
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Yeah, mentioning all the talent available is fine, but you can only sign 25 or so each year...
I'm just saying that Arky should be able to pick and choose moreso than UT can.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:38 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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The proximity to Texas and North Louisiana, as well as Memphis, are what make Arky a slightly better job IMO than UT. There's simply more athletes within 300 miles of Fayettenam than there are Div schools to sign them.
rivals.com last 10 years UGA vs UT vs Arky
2002 UT 5 5*, 16 4*
2002 UGA 1 5*, 18 4*
2002 Arky 0 5*, 6 4*
2003 UGA 2 5*, 8 4*
2003 UT 1 5*, 7 4*
2003 Arky 0 5*, 3 3*
2004 UT 2 5*, 8 4*
2004 UGA 1 5*, 11 4*
2004 Arky 0 5*, 4 4*
2005 UT 1 5*, 16 4*
2005 UGA 0 5*, 11 4*
2005 Arky 1 5*, 3 4*
2006 UGA 2 5*, 14 4*
2006 UT 1 5*, 4 4*
2006 Arky 1 5*, 4 4*
2007 UT 5 5*, 11 4*
2007 UGA 0 5*, 12 4*
2007 Arky 0 5*, 4 4*
2008 UGA 2 5*, 13 4*
2008 Arky 0 5*, 6 4*
2008 UT 0 5*, 4 4*
2009 UT 2 5*, 9 4*
2009 UGA 1 5*, 14 4*
2009 Arky 1 5*, 8 4*
2010 UT 1 5*, 12 4*
2010 UGA 0 5*, 9 4*
2010 Arky 0 5*, 3 4*
2011 UGA 2 5*, 12 4*
2011 UT 0 5*, 12 4*
2011 Arky 0 5*, 4 4*
2012 UGA 2 5*, 6 4*
2012 UT 0 5*, 10 4*
2012 Arky 0 5*, 2 4*
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:45 pm to Crompdaddy8
I know how Arky recruiting has gone. I'm saying that they should have a leg up on UT.
Take a look at a map. See all the DIV 1 schools within 300 miles of both Arky and UT. See who has more schools to recruit against?
Arky should be able to feast on the 4 stars that Louisiana and the Texas schools don't have room for. Not to mention Memphis.
Take a look at a map. See all the DIV 1 schools within 300 miles of both Arky and UT. See who has more schools to recruit against?
Arky should be able to feast on the 4 stars that Louisiana and the Texas schools don't have room for. Not to mention Memphis.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:53 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
but looking at the results in the last 10 years, UT beat out UGA 6 out of 10 times in recruiting. and keep in mind state of Georgia is absolutely loaded and top 3~4 in the nation in talent produced.
and Georgia had perhaps their second best decade in program history. Tennessee didn't win shiet in the 2000's and are currently in worst stretch in program's history.
and Georgia had perhaps their second best decade in program history. Tennessee didn't win shiet in the 2000's and are currently in worst stretch in program's history.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:54 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
I really don't see how Tennessee has this terrible recruiting base. No, it's not LSU's sweet setup of being the only major conference team in a loaded state of talent, but Tennessee produces some decent talent. And while it's hard for them to go into Louisiana, there's a lot of talent in north Georgia and Alabama that, yes, they have to fight for, but they aren't that far from. But mainly, they can go into ACC country and beat up on UNC and VT, who are not recruiting monsters. A kid from North Carolina wants to never be on TV and play in front of 40,000 apathetic fans? Tennessee should be killing UNC for Carolina recruits.
Tennessee is in a better situation than people claim. They have tons of money, a huge fan base, a great stadium, and they have access to talent north and east. There are a few players in Virginia.
Their real problem is a recent history of losing and, more importantly, of running off coaches. They get a pass on Kiffin, but Fulmer was run out of Dodge and Dooley only got three years. It's an unforgiving job, and most coaches don't want to sign up for a rebuild job with championship expectations. At least Auburn, which has some similar recruiting difficulties as Tennessee, have adjusted expectations in the short term.
Tennessee is in a better situation than people claim. They have tons of money, a huge fan base, a great stadium, and they have access to talent north and east. There are a few players in Virginia.
Their real problem is a recent history of losing and, more importantly, of running off coaches. They get a pass on Kiffin, but Fulmer was run out of Dodge and Dooley only got three years. It's an unforgiving job, and most coaches don't want to sign up for a rebuild job with championship expectations. At least Auburn, which has some similar recruiting difficulties as Tennessee, have adjusted expectations in the short term.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Arky should be able to feast on the 4 stars that Louisiana and the Texas schools don't have room for. Not to mention Memphis.
You guys laughed about the Liberty bowl in Petrino's second year, but we had tons of interest from Memphis HS kids hanging out at bowl practice, of course Petrino couldn't capitalize on this, but...
Richardson was able pull kids left and right out of Memphis back in the 90s for basketball, Anderson is working on rebuilding the pipeline currently. Todd Day is coaching HS hoops there now.
I don't see why we couldn't get an couple football players from Memphis based on all our past success with basketball.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Guys, I'm aware of UT's limitations the same as any of you. But I also realize that the right coach could overcome all that, and thrive.
I don't agree with this. In the arms race, I think all the schools with better player access (the six 10-win teams) are now fully invested.
If a good coach comes to Knoxville and orchestrates improvements that would make UT stand out relative its rivals, I think Saban, Miles, etc., would react swiftly and their schools would heed the call.
All of the hotbed schools realize the gold mine they have in their FB programs. They are willing to go blow-for-blow with anybody in facilities, hirings, etc.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:58 pm to Crompdaddy8
We can argue back and forth, but I'd take recruiting in Texas over recruiting in Georgia every day. Add in north Louisiana and Memphis, as well a whole (albeit small) state to themselves, and that's a nice recruiting advantage.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:01 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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We can argue back and forth, but I'd take recruiting in Texas over recruiting in Georgia every day. Add in north Louisiana and Memphis, as well a whole (albeit small) state to themselves, and that's a nice recruiting advantage.
We also have Tulsa, we've been getting some good players from the Tulsa area, small but good results lately.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:07 pm to DaleDenton
Arky has nicer overall facilities than every school they are recruiting against. They may not have as big a football stadium as Texas, LSU, or A&M's new stadium, but overall they blow everyone away.
Once they get a recruit to Fayetteville, Bielema should be able to seal the deal.
Once they get a recruit to Fayetteville, Bielema should be able to seal the deal.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:11 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
I think the stadium capacity is over-rated as well, honestly, they only see this what 6-8 times a year?
Most of their time is spent in the support facilities, which we will have brand new-uns with the football operations center completed in June.
Most of their time is spent in the support facilities, which we will have brand new-uns with the football operations center completed in June.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:12 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
I don't care which job is better. It just fricking blows me away the UT is having this much trouble. I still consider it damn good job for a guy who has the balls to tackle it.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:13 pm to RealityTiger
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Seriously, how does Tennessee have this much trouble?
A serious answer is boosters and former players. Too much interference.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:15 pm to DaleDenton
Yup, I'm aware of that. I just thank god LSU is actively upgrading their athletic facilities as fast as they are.
As far as stadium size goes, it plays a part. I can't wait to see a 100,000 seat plus Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night! And I think recruits will be blown away by that atmosphere!
As far as stadium size goes, it plays a part. I can't wait to see a 100,000 seat plus Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night! And I think recruits will be blown away by that atmosphere!
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:20 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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As far as stadium size goes, it plays a part. I can't wait to see a 100,000 seat plus Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night! And I think recruits will be blown away by that atmosphere!
It plays a part, but not because of the size or amount of the people, its the atmosphere.
The stadiums up north are big hold a bunch of people but don't have the same atmosphere as several smaller stadiums in the south for example.
Oregon is a very small stadium, but has a great atmosphere. Michigan is a very large stadium and has a horrible atmosphere.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:20 pm to ronnielee54
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I don't care which job is better. It just fricking blows me away the UT is having this much trouble. I still consider it damn good job for a guy who has the balls to tackle it.
I'm with you on this. I really do believe it AD Dave Hart that's the problem. The main problem anyways.
I'm starting to think that the UT fan's reaction to Kiffen leaving may be causing coaches to hesitate.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:21 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
in addition to Georgia, Florida, and northern Alabama...the Carolinas are absolutely loaded and so is Virginia. proximity is very close to Knoxville.
and last year state of Tenn produced 10 4* or better recruits. state of Alabama had 12.
no disrespect to Arky, but if they had top facilities, better recruiting ground than TN, better tradition, etc how come they only recruited 9 4* players in the last 3 years when they went to a BCS bowl? Tennessee recruited 35 4* players in the last 3 years. if it's relatively close you might have an argument there but number isn't even close.
also 72,000 capacity stadium vs Neyland's 102,455 capacity. I think I'm being trolled here.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 4:23 pm
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