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baybeefeetz
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:08 pm to WikiTiger)
If you are trying to find out whether I have limits, the answer is yes.
But are they somewhat arbitrary? maybe. I don't think there's some kind of natural law that says we have privacy. I like the 4th amendment, and I tend to agree with a lot of the jurisprudence, but I just have never felt like I was in private when people can see me.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:09 pm to WikiTiger)
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Your lack of understanding of the concepts of private communication even as acknowledged by the government is humorous.
As usual, you are undeservedly smug.
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WikiTiger 
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:10 pm to baybeefeetz)
Soooo.....yes...the government can legally read mail?
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baybeefeetz
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:14 pm to WikiTiger)
I would think not, no. But I guess you are going to tell me the US Mail and internet communications are the same.
eta: you are acting like I am not discussing what *I* think and expect to be private. If I wanted to really keep a message private, do you think I would send it in the mail? Do you think I would e-mail it? frick no. Not because of the state, either. But that's just me.
If you want to talk about what "reasonable person" should think is private in terms of electronic communications, that's another discussion, I guess.
But I think what I think not because I trust the state. It's because I don't trust anybody.
This post was edited on 12/5 at 10:18 pm
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WikiTiger
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:19 pm to baybeefeetz)
Just trying to illustrate the concept of reasonable expectation of privacy, and trying to get you to apply consistent logic to your stance.
If the government can't legally read mail without a warrant, why would/should they be able to intercept and read electronic communications?
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baybeefeetz
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:20 pm to WikiTiger)
what are expectations built upon? Purely logic, or does history have anything to do with it? Any other factors?
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WikiTiger
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:28 pm to baybeefeetz)
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what are expectations built upon? Purely logic, or does history have anything to do with it? Any other factors?
Mostly bull shite reasoning from lawyers wearing robes. But shite man, I disagree with most of what they say on issues like privacy because they don't go far enough, but they have still been more restrictive than your opinions in this thread.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:30 pm to WikiTiger)
ciraolo. not more restrictive than me. gotta go to bed.
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:38 pm to Mike da Tigah)
States gonna state
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:39 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Brave New World is much more like present day USA than 1984
Agree 100%
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heehaw
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:47 pm to Mike da Tigah)
Brave New World was more accurate than 1984
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NOLATide 
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/5/12 at 11:19 pm to Brosef Stalin)
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9-11 happened. The drones are only there to look for terrorists and are for your protection.
Ha ha. When a drone is used to kill an American citizen who had not received a trial, or even been accused of a crime, that's what you constitute as protection? Should Big Brother Government be allowed to violate your rights and liberty as long as they claim it's in order to protect you? Who protects you from them?
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Mike da Tigah
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/6/12 at 6:17 am to heehaw)
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Brave New World was more accurate than 1984
You might be right on that, but seeing I had just read 1984 the year prior in English class, it would have been foremost on my mind in that year, and being given that proposition to mull over.
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foshizzle
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/7/12 at 6:54 pm to WikiTiger)
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If the government can't legally read mail without a warrant, why would/should they be able to intercept and read electronic communications?
Laws are not always self-consistent.
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mograyback 
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/7/12 at 7:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Brave New World is much more like present day USA than 1984
Very very true.
1984 was written in response to the rise of Stalin.
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mograyback
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/7/12 at 7:13 pm to mograyback)
Thought this might be an appropriate place to put this..
Has anyone looked into the Utah Data Center?
It is brand new..
1 million square feet.
Over a billion dollars to build.
40 million dollars a year in electricity (minimum).
LINK
LINK
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AUsteriskPride 
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:28 pm to baybeefeetz)
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Being seen out in the open doesn't make me feel any less free.
It does me. I value my solitude above just about anything else. I don't even like my picture taken at family gatherings, it has always made me uncomfortable. I'm not free to be happy under constant surveillance. I'm even uneasy in stores with cameras- even though I would never steal. It's just my personal preference.
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Ponchy Tiger
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| re: 1984 the year and the novel. (Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:01 am to Mike da Tigah)
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WTF happened to America?
The hippie movement of the 60's brought on laziness and political correctness. The worthless trash that was a part of now has children who are accepting and giving all power to the government. The worm will turn and they will have buyersw remorse but by then it will be too late.
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