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That's perfect






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DapperDan
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Really? The party of "blame Bush" wants to whine about Obama getting blame. There is a surprise.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Well, it's just creating a caricature that fits such a small pctg of the population, but somehow many thinks it fits more than it really does.

That's awesome.

Of course it's such a small percentage, after all, the rich are a small percentage.

The same can be said for Obama's proposed tax hike on those earning $250,000 or more, "It's such a small percentage of the population".

You want to know what a large percent of the population is? Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again and end up poor.






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SoulGlo
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Really? The party of "blame Bush" wants to whine about Obama getting blame. There is a surprise.



After he is re-inaugurated, what will he need to do to fix the problems he inherited from the previous term?






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SoulGlo
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You want to know what a large percent of the population is? Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again and end up poor.



Define "large percentage" then.






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NC_Tigah
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Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again
It appears this Administration is all about dissuading similar risks from this point forward.






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BugAC
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You want to know what a large percent of the population is? Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again and end up poor.


Boo fricking hoo. That is not a "large percentage". That is what you call, idiots who don't understand how to handle their money, who don't understand that if you buy big screen tv's for $2000, you won't have enough money to pay for your electric bill.
Also, you assume that people that are poor, are all people that have just made risky business investments. Like 90% of America are business owners who got duped in a pyramid scheme. Poor people are poor for a reason. There is a saying, that if you give all the rich people's money to all the poor people, that the rich will have gained that money back in 6 months, and the poor will still be poor in 6 months.

It's called an education. The entire financial collapse was due to this idiocy. Banks not wanting to give out risky loans to people who can't manage it. The government, under direction of Barney Frank and Frank Dodd, then force banks to give out these loans. The US, in turn, uses these toxic assets to back our currency. And then, exactly what you knew would happen, happens. Idiots making 50 grand a year try to buy a 350k house. They can't pay back their loans, which anyone with a brain knew would happen, and they default on their loans.

The reason we are in a shitty economy is 1) Government forcing banks to give out loans. 2) Banks actually going along with the governments plans 3) Irresponsible citizens taking out loans for things they know they can't afford 4) Increased government intervention to "correct" the situation that they caused by....government intervention.

It's classic big government at it's finest and you people want more of this.






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cwill
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You want to know what a large percent of the population is? Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again and end up poor.


That's not why people are poor....and not that many people in this country are poor.






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NC_Tigah
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Boo fricking hoo. That is not a "large percentage". That is what you call, idiots who don't understand how to handle their money
I may be missing it, but I thought WT's larger point was that for every successful entrepreneur, there are many who tried and failed.

IMO it falls commensurate with the philosophy "better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all."






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Boo fricking hoo. That is not a "large percentage". That is what you call, idiots who don't understand how to handle their money, who don't understand that if you buy big screen tv's for $2000, you won't have enough money to pay for your electric bill.

And here is exactly what I'm talking about.

Look, it's called "risk" for a reason. If everyone who risked capital for gain was successful, it wouldn't be called "risk". But yet we want to villify the ones who try and fail.

330,000,000 people in this country, 2.2% of which fall past the second standard deviation on the left side of the curve. That's seven and a quarter million people who are disfunctional in any metric you want to use to measure "success".

Not everyone can be rich in this country, the numbers just won't allow for it. These people shouldn't be villified.

I would sooner villify those who inherit fortunes, then spend the rest of their lives squandering it instead of growing it with hard work and intelligent investment over those that try and fail.






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Mako
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100% agree.... A poor man has never given another poor man a job. Think about it.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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A poor man has never given another poor man a job. Think about it.

So it's ALL about the employ-ers, employ-ees are to be disparaged.

Got it.

Every company that has ever turned a profit owes everything to the investors, and NOTHING to the workers?

It seems to me that there is a 50-50 relationship. What would a coal mine be worth without coal miners?






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Bard
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Every company that has ever turned a profit owes everything to the investors, and NOTHING to the workers?


Aside from the promised pay and benefits workers get from said work, what more should they be getting and why?






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los angeles tiger
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If abortion is a right and is not your business or the governments business, then it is also not your business or the governments business how much money others make nor should they be punished unequally for making more while others rewarded for making less. Nor should it be your business if a man hires his son or daughter to work at his company. None of that should be your business. But libs only want the murdering of the unborn to not be others business while sticking their fricking paws in everything else.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Aside from the promised pay and benefits workers get from said work, what more should they be getting and why?


how about the same adoration that we're expected to give the capitalists?

Look at what we've done to the American Worker, for one, we can't even refer to them as "workers" because that smacks of communism, furthermore we've changed from referring to them as American workers to American consumers. This exemplifies the role we see for them now. The perception of their primary contribution to society has changed to that of a consumer. Add to this the fact that we still villify the Union to such an extent as to blem them, at least in part, for our economic woes - even though unionized labor in this country is only represented by some 7% of the workforce. Such a small number, but it seems that the right wing wioll not be satisfied until every last union has been crushed, even though we can see unions working in our country as well as abroad.

Also look at how the American consumer is expected to behave. Turn on the TV, get on line and we'll let you know what products to buy. We'll use cheap foreign labor to create our products overseas, you don't even have to work - just consume. This is how the capitalists support the welfare state. The wealth created can be used to finance the welfare state - after (cheap) labor costs and profits. Welfare does NOT remove money from the economy, it actually works to keep it in circulation, in a controlled manner, where it can be directed towards goods and services, again, in a controlled manner.

Look, my main point in all of this is to say that creation of wealth should not be our end goal. The betterment of society should be our end goal - through the mechanism of creation of wealth through free market capitalism rather than through central planning. This adulation of wealth generators is in effect leading us to a controlled economy - controlled by the wealth generators and their influence on our government. It is only through the recognition and empowerment of the American Worker can we truly get back on the path of the end goal being the betterment of society.

If y'all don't hear from me tomorrow, I'll send you a postcard from the Gulag.






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RogerTheShrubber
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The same can be said for Obama's proposed tax hike on those earning $250,000 or more, "It's such a small percentage of the population".


Doesn't matter.

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You want to know what a large percent of the population is? Those people who have taken risks with their wealth and lost it all, time and time again and end up poor.


What pctg would you suppose this is?






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NC_Tigah
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Look, my main point in all of this is to say that creation of wealth should not be our end goal. The betterment of society should be our end goal - through the mechanism of creation of wealth through free market capitalism rather than through central planning.

It is only through the recognition and empowerment of the American Worker can we truly get back on the path of the end goal being the betterment of society.
Recognition and empowerment are earned, not ordered. Now, as a society we could aid in that process. For example, we could replace all corporate tax with a consumption tax. That consumer-neutral change would incentivize corporations to bring overseas jobs here, increase workforce demand, and empower workers.

Instead we maintain the highest corporate tax rate in the world. So US companies are moving more jobs offshore.






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Taxing Authority
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These people shouldn't be villified.
Who is villifing them? Saying they should be given free isht != villifying them. It's not making a moral judgement about them beyond the demands to be given free stuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

I mean if a "rich" person wanted something free just because of his social status... that would be just as wrong.






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Taxing Authority
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Look, my main point in all of this is to say that creation of wealth should not be our end goal. The betterment of society should be our end goal - through the mechanism of creation of wealth through free market capitalism rather than through central planning.
Maybe I'm missing something. But over the last century the "american worker" made GIGANTIC strides in quality of life. Hell, in the last two decades the average "american worker" has made tremendous strides. Just try to buy a car with a manual transmission today. Or roll up windows. Or manual locks. People without cell phones are considered freaks. These were all considered luxuries two decades ago.

The inheirent problem is that we spend too much focus on "OTHER PEOPLEs" wealth. No one ever got rich counting his neighbors' money.

With a constantly inflating currency and productive GDP there simply isn't a limit to anyone becoming wealthy. One person's wealth doesn't come at the expense of another's.

Now about that "betterment of society"... what is better for society... reliance upon a slim majority to provide for the masses, or self-reliance by the masses? Simple question.






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lsu13lsu
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And lowered rates on dividends?


I bet you cannot tell everyone how dividends are taxed and how many times.






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