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LSUconvert 
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:15 pm to ShortyRob)
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)Trayvon realizes he's being followed(tells his GF he's being followed) Trayvon doesn't like it. Maybe he's offended he's being considered a criminal. Who knows. But, he's pissed.
Or maybe he feels threatened.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:15 pm to VerlanderBEAST)
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Did Zimmerman follow him on Twitter?
do you act like you can't tell if a person is acting hard or not based on body language?
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:16 pm to LSUconvert)
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He felt threatened,
any reasonable person would protect themselves.
How do you know this?
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JohnnyKilroy 
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:17 pm to PortCityGirl35)
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Maybe you guys grew up in a different environment. I was always taught to defend myself.
Were you taught to defend yourself if absolutely only when necessary? What if you are closer to a safe area than you are to the stranger? Should you turn back and face the stranger?
I was always taught to defend myself if I was in a situation where that was my only option. But if I could escape the situation, that was what I should do.
This post was edited on 12/3 at 11:20 pm
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:18 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
i always get mad at clients for getting in similar situations or just plain old fights b/c they don't know if the other person is armed or has some boys hanging around. your rep means nothing if you're dead
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LSUconvert
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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How do you know this?
It's speculation based off of his actions in an attempt to get people to look at the other side of the coin.
Better? 
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JohnnyKilroy
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:22 pm to LSUconvert)
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He felt threatened, any reasonable person would protect themselves.
I guess we disagree here. I don't think it is reasonable to turn back.
You can't make an argument that GZ should have stayed in his truck, but Trayvon should NOT have kept walking.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:22 pm to LSUconvert)
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It's speculation based off of his actions in an attempt to get people to look at the other side of the coin.
I've been criticized to hell and back for suggesting Z'man used poor judgement, most likely. From all available evidence, it still appears he was defending himself from being attacked.
Since none of us know, we can only go by the things we can see and it appears he was attacked. I can easily change my mind if evidence suggests otherwise.
Using poor judgement isn't a crime.
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PortCityGirl35 
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Were you taught to defend yourself if absolutely necessary?
yes
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What if you are closer to a safe area than you are to the stranger? Should you turn back and face the stranger?
Turn back to face the stranger? Link?
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VerlanderBEAST 
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Should you turn back and face the stranger?
Yes if the stranger followed me home. Anybody would.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Since none of us know, we can only go by the things we can see and it appears he was attacked. I can easily change my mind if evidence suggests otherwise.
yeah initially i was all in on criticizing zimmerman, but as more info comes out it seems like he didn't act completely unreasonable. did he act perfectly? probably not
then it comes down to who started slinging hands, and by all the evidence it was trayvon
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LSUconvert
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:25 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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You can't make an argument that GZ should have stayed in his truck, but Trayvon should NOT have kept walking.
Sure I can, watch this.
From his truck, how is it possible that GZ feels threatened? Threatened enough to try and follow him.
Don't you think it's more reasonable to feel threatened in T's shoes than GZ's?
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:26 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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yeah initially i was all in on criticizing zimmerman, but as more info comes out it seems like he didn't act completely unreasonable. did he act perfectly? probably not
then it comes down to who started slinging hands, and by all the evidence it was trayvon
Yeah, it's how it appears. I don't know what happened after the confrontation started, don't think any of us do but I seriously doubt he will be found guilty of a crime unless new info comes out.
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:26 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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You can't make an argument that GZ should have stayed in his truck, but Trayvon should NOT have kept walking.
Why can't you? One guy was being chased while minding his own business. The other guy was chasing after being told not to, because he thinks black people in hoodies are suspicious.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:27 pm to LSUconvert)
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From his truck, how is it possible that GZ feels threatened?
at the point when he's getting beat up?
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Threatened enough to try and follow him.
he had stopped following him and was going back to his truck. how does GZ instigate anything in that position?
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Don't you think it's more reasonable to feel threatened in T's shoes than GZ's?
at what point?
initially? sure T had to have been more threatened
when T approached GZ? GZ almost assuredly felt more threatened
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LSUconvert
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Using poor judgement isn't a crime.
When your poor judgement results in someone dead, it CAN be.
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JohnnyKilroy
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:27 pm to LSUconvert)
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From his truck, how is it possible that GZ feels threatened? Threatened enough to try and follow him.
GZ staying in his truck or not has nothing to do with feeling threatened. He is free to enter and leave his truck as he pleases. He is also free to walk around his apartment complex as he pleases.
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MississippiLSUfan
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:27 pm to ApexTiger)
Looks broken to me, too.
This information is being released in drubs and drabs to acclimate the animals. They are hoping to reduce the impact of the only right verdict in this case.
The thugs and race baiters might not burn the city if they are given the truth in small doses over several months.
But they are wasting their time in my opinion.
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JohnnyKilroy
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:28 pm to LSUconvert)
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When your poor judgement results in someone dead, it CAN be.
I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Of course using poor judgement CAN be a crime.
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LSUconvert
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| re: Zimmerman back in the news (Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:30 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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From his truck, how is it possible that GZ feels threatened?
at the point when he's getting beat up?
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how does GZ instigate anything in that position?
The instigation already took place.
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when T approached GZ? GZ almost assuredly felt more threatened
How so? Presumably the reason you follow someone is to confront them, that had to be something he was either trying to accomplish, or at the very least suspected MIGHT happen.
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