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NC_Tigah
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It is not illegal. Walk into a business office of a hospital and tell them you have no insurance but would like to have a cholecystectomy and see how long before you get a room.
About as long as it takes to walk from the business office to the ER admission desk.






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Taxing Authority
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I actually think it is more cold and heartless not to intervene on behalf of these people to break the cycle.
I do too.






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Diamondawg
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then they go in a receive free treatment.
It's not free. If you don't have insurance and they can't qualify you for Medicaid (assuming you are under Medicare age) then you will get a bill. If you have the means to pay, you will have to. If you have no means, they will still try to collect but will eventually write it off as uncompensated care. Lots of bankruptcies are due to huge medical bills.






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NC_Tigah
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It's not free. If you don't have insurance and they can't qualify you for Medicaid (assuming you are under Medicare age) then you will get a bill. If you have the means to pay, you will have to. If you have no means, they will still try to collect but will eventually write it off as uncompensated care.
True.
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Lots of bankruptcies are due to huge medical bills.
Yep.
Medical spending is a partially contributing factor in about 17% of all U.S. bankruptcies. Medical debts account for 12%-13% of reasons cited for bankruptcy.

Then again, folks in that category are not necessarily the most personally responsible group.






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Taxing Authority
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Medical spending is a partially contributing factor in about 17% of all U.S. bankruptcies. Medical debts account for 12%-13% of reasons cited for bankruptcy.
Probably not for much longer.

The ACA already gives them power to take money out of your bank account (without your permission) to pay your medical bills.

And as government foots more and more of the bill, look for them to do with medical bill what they already do with student loans --make them undischargable in bankruptcy cases.

It's coming. FORWARD!






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DeltaDoc
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The ACA already gives them power to take money out of your bank account (without your permission) to pay your medical bills.


Governmental bank liens and seizures are going to be amazingly common in the near future. Why do you think the IRS is hiring so many new employees for Obamacare.

I wonder if we will see affirmative in-action relative to these liens and seizures? In other words, if you are a minority, will the government give you the benefit of the doubt and not take your money since you already have a leg down in our unfair and inequitable society.






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NC_Tigah
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Probably not for much longer.

The ACA already gives them power to take money out of your bank account (without your permission) to pay your medical bills.

No question.

True story:

Moderately affluent business couple.

Lady reported to the ED with Appendicitis. Husband had Cholecystectomy (Gallbladder Surgery) 6 months previously. He'd stiffed the hospital. Not one dollar of payment. As they were in OR holding, we were told there was an "Administrative Glitch" and the business office needed to converse with the husband. No other details.

I'd never encountered that. Husband conversed with the business office. Apparently schmoozed them. Returned and pulled the curtain (which he must have perceived as soundproof).

Proceeded to tell wife that "those dumb sh*ts were after money for my gallbladder. F*ck them . . . . ha ha ha." Wife chuckled too. Then he told her he'd just confirmed he'd landed 6 Bobcats season tickets, seats 2nd row behind the visitors bench.

I pulled the curtain, explained it wasn't soundproof, and assured him we'd take great care of his wife. Both were white as sheets. We took great care of his wife.

Epilogue: Hospital was paid for the Appendectomy. No one else was.

Maybe the ACA will address that. Maybe not.






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DaGarun
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What? That the government is to blame b/c they made it too tempting for companies to cheat and over-bill medicare by ordering unnecessary test as a part of procedure?

Yes and no. It's not the government per se that is the driver, its the presence of a 3rd party payer. That presence, in ANY system, will drive up price as well as incent overutilization.

The further the consumer is away from the point of purchase, the less they care. It's one of the reasons insurance companies insist on the collection of copays at the time of service, where possible. Even the passage of time between service and payment reduces consumer concern over price.

The government, in this case, is just the largest 3rd party payer in the game.

You want health care costs to go down? Make consumers pay more, or stop "insuring" against completely predictable and non-catastrophic events. My auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, but if it did, the premiums would be much higher, and the price of the oil change would be much greater to boot...






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La Place Mike
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Medical debts account for 12%-13% of reasons cited for bankruptcy.

Closer to 50%.






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Taxing Authority
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You want health care costs to go down? Make consumers pay more, or stop "insuring" against completely predictable and non-catastrophic events
This X10,000






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PortCityGirl35
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I firmly believe it would only take one generation to break the cycle relative to poor eating. However, these people are not going to do it own their own.


How many welfare recipients do you know?






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