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The "greens" are on the wrong side of the issue when it pertains to the Keystone Pipeline. I said this in another thread conceding the greens:

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The environmentalist supporting the blockage of the Keystone pipeline are DELUSIONAL. Blocking the pipeline is WORSE for the environment for the following reasons:

1.) The oil will get shipped to Asia across the Pacific in TANKERS that are significantly more environmentally risky than a pipeline

2.) The oil as the environmentalist claim is dirty bitumen will be refined in Asia where refining standards are MUCH less stringent. That means HIGHER rate of CO2 released into the atmosphere (if you believe CO2 is a problem) and other environmental issues that go along with primitive refining practices.

3.) A part of the oil will be shipped on Warren Buffet's Burlington Railroad to the refineries along the Gulf South. An open oil stained rail road is significantly more environmentally hazardous to the environment than a cross country pipeline that only leaves behind a grassy knoll (that some species absolutely love...see the endangered gopher tortoise and indigo snake down here in the south).

BLOCKING THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE IS BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

These people (environmentalist) are not thinking through this issue. They are clouded by emotion. The oil from Canada will make it to market regardless of their efforts. The only question that remains is whether it will make it to market dirty or clean. Ironically the environmentalist are fighting for dirty oil. They need to cease being dumbassses on this issue stat.






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And if the ultimate product cost more than it was worth (i.e. produced less energy than was consumed) there would be no company producing the oil sands. That's the part you don't ge


Jesus man, I do get that.

I was responding to the idiot who didn't understand why crude oil was apart of the process.

And if you want to talk about not getting something, lets talk about this point you keep bringing up. The fact that companies want to make this is because it will make SOME people very rich. But it will rob future generations of high grade crude oil. It makes no sense to waste a high grade and very limited resource to make a low grade product that is a short term solution at best. Not to mention the amount of fresh water that is needed in the transformation. Water is cheap right now, but we know that water is the next oil.. many believe it will be a limited resource in the near future. So now we're using two important resources to create a low grade oil, again.. makes absolutely no sense. Oh yeah, then there is natural gas that is needed.
You also have no concept of the secondary energy that is required that isn't absorbed by these companies, but the governments.

Its a waste to argue this.. the world is filled with enough people like yourself that are too shortsighted to see the bigger picture.

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The environmentalist supporting the blockage of the Keystone pipeline are DELUSIONAL. Blocking the pipeline is WORSE for the environment for the following reasons:

1.) The oil will get shipped to Asia across the Pacific in TANKERS that are significantly more environmentally risky than a pipeline

2.) The oil as the environmentalist claim is dirty bitumen will be refined in Asia where refining standards are MUCH less stringent. That means HIGHER rate of CO2 released into the atmosphere (if you believe CO2 is a problem) and other environmental issues that go along with primitive refining practices.

3.) A part of the oil will be shipped on Warren Buffet's Burlington Railroad to the refineries along the Gulf South. An open oil stained rail road is significantly more environmentally hazardous to the environment than a cross country pipeline that only leaves behind a grassy knoll (that some species absolutely love...see the endangered gopher tortoise and indigo snake down here in the south).

BLOCKING THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE IS BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

These people (environmentalist) are not thinking through this issue. They are clouded by emotion. The oil from Canada will make it to market regardless of their efforts. The only question that remains is whether it will make it to market dirty or clean. Ironically the environmentalist are fighting for dirty oil. They need to cease being dumbassses on this issue stat.


What is written in this quote above is the hallmark of modern stupidity.


"Clouded by emotion".. try clouded by common sense. Wasting valuable resources to create a less valuable resource is just stupid.

Blocking the keystone pipeline is not bad for the environment.

What that message should say "The environment is going to be hurt, valuable resources will be wasted, so it might as well be us that do it".







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What are you rambling on about? Just because a hydrocarbon source is the longer chain variety does not make it "bad" per se. BTW, the oil sands are viable when the price per barrel is ~$75.






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I was responding to the idiot


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All the while hurting our job growth


Really, you think that importing and refining a product is bad for job growth? You think that companies are going to mine and convert the tar sands when it is not economically feasible to do so? You call me the idiot...









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What are you rambling on about? Just because a hydrocarbon source is the longer chain variety does not make it "bad" per se. BTW, the oil sands are viable when the price per barrel is ~$75.


Absolutely no concept of the real wealth of the world.

I wish forums like these were written in a permanent form, that way people in the future could have a better idea of how fricking stupid we were in the past.






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Really, you think that importing and refining a product is bad for job growth? You think that companies are going to mine and convert the tar sands when it is not economically feasible to do so? You call me the idiot...


Dip shit, I don't think anything.. I linked an article from Cornell University explaining that it will only create about 6,000 temporary jobs. And will cut down investment into green energy, their theory was it will slow job growth.



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"Clouded by emotion".. try clouded by common sense. Wasting valuable resources to create a less valuable resource is just stupid.


If something cost me $60 bucks to make and I can sell it for $85 I going to do it all day. I don't give a shite about other "valuable" resources if I'm in Canada and those other resources are thousands of miles away.

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Blocking the keystone pipeline is not bad for the environment.


If you believe Chinese refining standards are better than American refining standards then you might be right.






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Dip shit, I don't think anything.. I linked an article from Cornell University explaining that it will only create about 6,000 temporary jobs. And will cut down investment into green energy, their theory was it will slow job growth.








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Jesus man, I do get that.

I was responding to the idiot who didn't understand why crude oil was apart of the process.


You have argued endlessly that it consumes "so much energy"....so what, if it produces more energy than consumed? ....you obviously don't get it.

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And if you want to talk about not getting something, lets talk about this point you keep bringing up. The fact that companies want to make this is because it will make SOME people very rich. But it will rob future generations of high grade crude oil.


This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...first the only way SOME people get rich is if they produce more energy than is consumed if the ultimate product regardless of grade (a concept I don't think you fully understand) produces more energy.....it only matters if ultimately more energy is produced. Furthermore, the "high grade crude used has been produced, it is on the market and isn't being "saved" for anyone regardless of the ultimate use...however, thanks to modern tech it's being used in some cases to produce more energy than it, itself contained. frick.

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Not to mention the amount of fresh water that is needed in the transformation. Water is cheap right now, but we know that water is the next oil.. many believe it will be a limited resource in the near future. So now we're using two important resources to create a low grade oil, again.. makes absolutely no sense. Oh yeah, then there is natural gas that is needed.


Let's simply for the sake of argument assume this were true...since we are talking about Keystone, whether or not it gets built the oil will be produced so that shite would happen regardless....see you're going in circles....and quit talking about grades, it's another pointless point.

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You also have no concept of the secondary energy that is required that isn't absorbed by these companies, but the governments.


Companies pay for everything - water included. I don't think you know anything about the industry, how it operates, what it costs.

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Its a waste to argue this.. the world is filled with enough people like yourself that are too shortsighted to see the bigger picture.


The only person not seeing the bigger picture is you...your argument has been compartmentalized and inconsistent...you fail to see the links between them or how this all fits in the world we live in.

You claim not to be a green then make green arguments...if you are a green you need to realize that Keystone doesn't matter, it ultimately has no impact on future oil sand production.






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If something cost me $60 bucks to make and I can sell it for $85 I going to do it all day. I don't give a shite about other "valuable" resources if I'm in Canada and those other resources are thousands of miles away.



No clue.



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If you believe Chinese refining standards are better than American refining standards then you might be right.



I guess you're just going to ignore the next thing I said, which would negate this retarded comment.






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I wish forums like these were written in a permanent form, that way people in the future could have a better idea of how fricking stupid we were in the past.


This is something you really should not wish for as related to this topic.






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GumboPot


How is that funny?

You said "I" was personally claiming it would hurt job growth. And how my opinion is weak.

And then I said nope, I linked that to an article from Cornell University.

Yet, you play it off as a win for you. Only in internet land.






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how fricking stupid we were in the past.



Many folks are very aware of your stupidity in the present. This thread is hilarious, as most you post in turn out to be.






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I linked an article from Cornell University explaining that it will only create about 6,000 temporary jobs. And will cut down investment into green energy, their theory was it will slow job growth.


The argument on its face fails....oil is a world commodity....oil sands will be produced regardless, therefore the amount of oil available to the world will not be impacted by Keystone, therefore, green energy if it were impacted would be impacted regardless...frick.






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Dip shit, I don't think anything.. I linked an article from Cornell University explaining that it will only create about 6,000 temporary jobs. And will cut down investment into green energy, their theory was it will slow job growth.


Thanks for the laugh...






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How is that funny?


Because 6000 is a joke of a number for this magnitude of a project. It's at least 20,000 probably more like 25,000. These projects always end up needing more resources than you planned.






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Thanks for the laugh...



Haha. What a vet move.

You made a mistake thinking it was just 'me' saying something, which was actually linked to a credible source. Instead of taking it like a man you respond as if you didn't make a mistake. Brilliant online forum tactic.

Fellas, have a good one. I'm off to wingman for my buddy.

We live with different principles and information. Arguing with you is pointless. Our world today is a joke that is driven by short term gains with no regard for the long term success of our species. Everything is about material consumption and making the most in this moment. Have a good one people.



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Because 6000 is a joke of a number for this magnitude of a project. It's at least 20,000 probably more like 25,000. These projects always end up needing more resources than you planned.



Oh, so Gumbo knows more than the intelligent people that spent time researching the project. Ole boy Gumbo says these projects always need more than planned. My bad. And what is the difference really? 6,000 temp jobs or 20,000 temp jobs. Still temp jobs. And still not that many.






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Fighting for dirty oil.






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