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constant cough 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:06 pm to Rocket)
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I think my generation doesn't want to be the one that pays for the bulk of this debt
As evidenced by voting to re-elect Obama? Sorry but I don't see it.
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Pilot Tiger 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:07 pm to constant cough)
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People my age(33)
holy crap, i thought you were like 50 something 
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Rocket
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:08 pm to constant cough)
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As evidenced by voting to re-elect Obama?
Correct, so baby boomers can chip in while they are still alive
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Sorry but I don't see it.
That doesn't mean anything. You're not a smart guy
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SpartyGator 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:08 pm to Baloo)
You do bring up some interesting points, and I do agree with some of them.
A guy like Huntsman is what the GOP needs going forward. You can still maintain conservative values (dont have to stray from those)but at the same time rallying around the fact that we are all americans first.
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Baloo 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:08 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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The GOP won a majority of the Congressional races, they have a majority of the governors and a majority of the state legislatures. It is not like the party is dead.
No, and I tried to make this point when I said national races. But their control of the House has a lot to do with gerrymandering districts so every seat is a safe seat. I don't think the GOP is on life support or anything, and if you'll notice, I didn't really make any policy suggestions. It's really that y'all are doing a crappy job of articulating your values right now.
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Pilot Tiger
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:09 pm to Baloo)
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W -- this is precisely what I mean by whining. The right has their own TV network. They have a "Business" section in every newspaper. Pretty much any look at the media NOT run by a right wing org shows the media is pretty down the middle (with the obvious exceptions of Fox and MSNBC). You have the Drudge Report, the Wall St Journal, and last I checked, massive multinational conglomerates own the airwaves, not a bunch of hippies. You have no problem getting your message out there. None. Stop complaining about liberal bias. It's just whiny.
also, shut up about academia. First off, it's not true. I don't see business and engineering schools overrun by liberals. You're just cherry picking departments which would skew left anyway. And secondly, who listens to a bunch of academics anyway? They are losing jobs left and right, and have very little influence on politics. This is like liberals complaining that CEO's trend conservative, only CEO's actually wield political power.
Stop your whining. It's just such a give up
I dont know how many people I know here, who on the surface, you would think to yourself, "oh that dude is totally a GOP frat daddy, 30 year old, entrapranuer, clean shaven, likes guns, likes making money...wait, you HATE republicans??"
the GOP is wayyyyyy out of touch
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:18 pm to Baloo)
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BTW -- this is precisely what I mean by whining. The right has their own TV network. They have a "Business" section in every newspaper. Pretty much any look at the media NOT run by a right wing org shows the media is pretty down the middle (with the obvious exceptions of Fox and MSNBC). You have the Drudge Report, the Wall St Journal, and last I checked, massive multinational conglomerates own the airwaves, not a bunch of hippies. You have no problem getting your message out there. None. Stop complaining about liberal bias. It's just whiny.
The right has their own network? Yes, exactly one TV network and it's on cable. It doesn't influence anyone if they don't ever turn it on.
Meanwhile the left as all three broadcast networks and two cable networks. Wall Street Journal is just one newspaper and it's really just the editorial page that is center-right.
Yes, we have Drudgereport but do you really think the people that voted for Obama ever read Drudgereport?
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also, shut up about academia. First off, it's not true. I don't see business and engineering schools overrun by liberals. You're just cherry picking departments which would skew left anyway. And secondly, who listens to a bunch of academics anyway? They are losing jobs left and right, and have very little influence on politics. This is like liberals complaining that CEO's trend conservative, only CEO's actually wield political power.
Are you seriously trying to deny that the democrats and the teachers unions don't control public education in America?
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Stop your whining. It's just such a give up.
You see that's just it I don't think I am whining. What I see here is you whining about me not sharing your perceptions and biases.
Not seeing things the same way you do is not the same thing as whining.
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Pilot Tiger
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:19 pm to constant cough)
movie board constant cough 
poli board constant cough  
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USMCTiger03
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:20 pm to Baloo)
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ONE. Stop being so f’n negative. The very best thing about Ronald Reagan is that he truly belived in the US as the “City on the Hill”. I’m a bit of an American Exceptionalist myself, but even if you aren’t, the idea that you sell the idea that America is Awesome should be obvious. It’s a lot better than being the Gloom and Doom party. No one is saying there aren’t problems, but there have always been problems and America has risen to the challenge throughout its history. For godsakes, tap into this vision of what’s GOOD about America.
Are you inferring that Romney was too negative and not optimistic enough during the campaign?
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:20 pm to Rocket)
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Correct, so baby boomers can chip in while they are still alive
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That doesn't mean anything. You're not a smart guy
So your contention is that young people voted for Obama so that baby boomers will chip in more? How exactly is that going to work when its' the baby boomers who are on the receiving end? They aren't going to chip in anything and young people will pay more.
And you're calling me not smart, 
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Rocket
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:25 pm to constant cough)
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So your contention is that young people voted for Obama so that baby boomers will chip in more?
Mainly they aren't as resentful towards government and democrats for the 60's legislation as baby boomers and don't see the GOP as nothing more than people stuck in rebellion of integration
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How exactly is that going to work when its' the baby boomers who are on the receiving end? They aren't going to chip in anything and young people will pay more.
Plenty of baby boomers still working. What planet do you live on?
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DEANintheYAY 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:26 pm to constant cough)
Most wouldn't consider K-12 teachers and their unions as Academia.
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crawdaddy52 
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:26 pm to Baloo)
Baloo, reasonable suggestions. The problem is your audience is not. Contemplate the dais at one of the republican debates. Santorum, Bachman, Cain, Perry etc were considered viable, serious candidates. One would have thought Romney would have secured the nomination in a month or two. The path to the Republican nomination is half bat shite crazy. Goes back to Nixon's southern strategy which has come back to bite the repubs in the butt.
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:27 pm to Pilot Tiger)
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movie board constant cough
poli board constant cough
Sorry but this whole effort to get the republicans to "moderate" is nothing more than an effort to move the country more leftward by default.
You don't win by adapting yourself to the other side that's called surrender and that's called losing.
I strongly disagree with this notion that Baloo put forward that Republicans are too negative. Obama and the Democrats are the ones whom are negative. Republicans lost because they did not respond in kind.
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DEANintheYAY
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:29 pm to constant cough)
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Republicans lost because they did not respond in kind.
Republicans lost because of the Obama ground game. Which coincidentally is what I said would happen.
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:33 pm to Rocket)
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Plenty of baby boomers still working. What planet do you live on?
And plenty of baby boomers are retired and will soon be retiring. There's more baby boomers retired than there are millennials.
But that's not the point. You seem to be arguing that millennials voted for Obama to increase the debt so that baby boomers will have to work longer and harder even though it also means the millennials themselves will have to work longer and harder.
Punishing themselves in order to stick it to the seniors? That doesn't make sense and if that's the way young people are thinking this country really is screwed.
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Rocket
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:35 pm to constant cough)
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You seem to be arguing that millennials voted for Obama to increase the debt so that baby boomers will have to work longer and harder even though it also means the millennials themselves will have to work longer and harder.
Incorrect.
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Punishing themselves in order to stick it to the seniors? That doesn't make sense and if that's the way young people are thinking this country really is screwed.
You've got it all wrong.
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:35 pm to Pilot Tiger)
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holy crap, i thought you were like 50 something
Yeah I'm a 50 something year old pothead with a screen named that is constant cough who's into stoner rock and pulp fiction.
Totally. I don't see how you could have seen it any other way.
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cwill
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:37 pm to Baloo)
You hit on somethings but you've whiffed on the biggest - social issues. I guarantee you the Reps lost most young professionals and the entrepreneurial tech sector because of issues like abortion and gay marriage and they lose the Hispanics because they have no immigration reform vision other than a border wall and a moat filled with sharks.
But the fricking whining has to stop...I've always found it ironic that the GOP has become the party of victims after years of decrying the practice.
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constant cough
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| re: How the GOP could rebrand itself (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:37 pm to Rocket)
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You've got it all wrong.
Ok but how can you say the younger generation doesn't want to pay for the bulk of the debt when they just voted to re-elected a president who's increased the debt $6 trillion in just four years?
Like I said, I don't see it.
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