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Ghostfacedistiller 
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 12:18 pm to brewhan davey)
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That figure also includes government employees.
True. I don't consider state workers to be "on the take" but it is interesting if over over 50% is dependent (working or not working) on the government.
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Catman88
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 12:32 pm to ashy larry)
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A writer at Forbes Magazine
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By fox's rationale they should be 'takers' too?
yea this is all Fox News! BOOO
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manwich 
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 12:38 pm to LSUIEGRAD13)
11 plus Washington, D.C.
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Sheep 
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 12:53 pm to manwich)
I didn't read the link, but I assume military, fire and police are included in the "taker" pile.
Which of these leeches should we discard first?
That's assuming we've already kicked sanitation workers, prison guards and those on scholarship at public universities to the curb.
Down with the leeches, I say!
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Boss
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:20 pm to Sheep)
Also, did they make sure that every corporation/entity/ individual that has received grants/subsidies/assistance and tax breaks as takers, if their subsidy was greater than their tax burden?
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Diamondawg 
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:33 pm to Boss)
If a private hospital has a 60% Medicare patient mix are they considered a "taker" or a "maker"? If a mom and pop grocery store accepted food stamps, does that make them a "taker"?
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Queen
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:36 pm to SammyTiger)
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there are also a ton of government jobs that you can't ship off to the private sector.
Education
Police
My private school education disagrees with you.
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Diamondawg
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:37 pm to Queen)
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My private school education disagrees with you.
Then why are you an LSU fan?
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Queen
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:38 pm to Diamondawg)
Private K-12, obviously.
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Queen
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:39 pm to Diamondawg)
Also I know for the sake of this particular argument a public school is a public school, but in a general sense I don't consider public universities quite the same thing as a public high school. If you want to discuss those merits we need another thread.
But even though I didn't go to private university, they do exist, and they do pretty well.
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Diamondawg
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 1:39 pm to Queen)
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obviously
Why? - he said "education".
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Diamondawg
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 2:12 pm to Queen)
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but in a general sense I don't consider public universities quite the same thing as a public high school
They are not the same. They do, however, have in common the use of a hell of lot of public funds.
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Queen
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 2:18 pm to Diamondawg)
To your previous post - I say obviously because if I went to LSU I must have gotten my private education at another point in life.
And to your point about using lots of funds - yes, they do. But if we're talking about differences, IMO there's not much reason to spend $40k a year to go to a private college when you get a good education at a public school. If you're living in a shitty school district like Orleans, though, you send your kids to private high school so they are prepared for college.
In relation to this thread though, education COULD be privatized, people just might not like it.
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Diamondawg
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 2:23 pm to Queen)
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In relation to this thread though, education COULD be privatized, people just might not like it
You can privatize anything in this thread. You could privatize a police force if you wanted to pay for it. We already privatize parts of our prison system here. If you privatize them, does that make them makers instead of takers? They do the same job.
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Jim Rockford
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 2:35 pm to NimbleCat)
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It makes perfect sense. They contribute to the tax burden.
Does that include the military?
I don't know you can conclude much from this. I see four red states, four blue states, and three swing states.
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BugAC
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:05 pm to ashy larry)
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But lumping a working person with the welfare mooch is misleading.
Not really. Consider Obamacare. The IRS hired 4000 new agents to implement obamacare. That is a net drain on the economy. IRS workers are paid by with taxpayer dollars, and contribute nothing back to the GDP.
Fewer government workers = better fiscally sound state.
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BugAC
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:07 pm to Jim Rockford)
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Does that include the military?
Not really. Spending in the defense department promotes spending in the private sector (contractors, etc...). Spending, however, could be cut in defense, but only after entitlements are cut in half. Entitlement spending is 3 or 4 times that of defense spending.
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Sheep
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:28 pm to BugAC)
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Not really. Spending in the defense department promotes spending in the private sector (contractors, etc...).
This can't *possibly* be true. I've build told as nauseum that government spending has no impact on the private sector. Next thing you know, you damned Keynesians will want to build bridges, roads and schools and put *that* money in the private sector.
Then what do you have?
More leeches and takers, that's what.
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Diamondawg
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 4:00 pm to Sheep)
I worked for a public hospital. We could only spend what we could collect in revenue. We got very little from the state. We had close to $1B budget. Probably a couple of hundred million was spent with local vendors (medical supply, automobiles, food services, electricity, natural gas, gasoline, uniforms, and many, many other things). Again, very little in the way of state funds. Were we makers or takers because we would surely fall into the category of "takers" in the stupid report.
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SammyTiger
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| re: 11 states with more on government assistance than working (Posted on 11/30/12 at 4:37 pm to Diamondawg)
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My private school education disagrees with you.
I went to private school as well k-12. I am saying most people can't afford that. How shitty would private schools for poor people be? the Walmart of schools wouldn't work.
Vouchers are Government money too.
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