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catholictigerfan 
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to TheDoc)
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It's the same thing
so if its the same thing why does it matter what you call it?
and plus even if you do change the name does changing the name change the idea of the christmas tree change what it represents, change what religion its tied to?
atheists who push to have the name of Christmas tree changed are just playing name games, the name of something does't really have an impact on what it is and what it means to the people who put it up.
just like i wouldn't change the meaning of a crucifix if I said its a couple sticks with some dude on it.
so either you must be for a ban on Christmas (holiday) trees in government buildings or not.
This post was edited on 11/29 at 10:40 am
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jonboy
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:42 am to Rex)
The interview tonight with the RI Governor ought to be interesting.
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TheDoc 
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:43 am to catholictigerfan)
Pagans had the tree first
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TK421
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:43 am to catholictigerfan)
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atheists who push to have the name of Christmas tree changed are just playing name games, the name of something does't really have an impact on what it is and what it means to the people who put it up.
I've noticed atheists tend to get angrier and less rational around the Holidays. Perhaps it is because this time of year highlights how empty and meaningless their lives really are. 
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:50 am to TK421)
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RCDfan1950
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:53 am to TheDoc)
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According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because...Some of us don't want to live in a theocracy
I know, Doc. That's the point that I just made. Nws that we HAVE been living in a relative *theocracy* for the past couple hundred years; at least according to the prevailing Progressive political metric.
But I suspect that when the 'experiment' is over, men like you and me will agree that it is damn near impossible for govenments to govern individuals who are more inclined to follow Nature...than...what? Patriotism? Community spirit? Morality...whatever that is. Rather than to believe that they are eternally accountable, and able to live and prosper according to the morality (or immorality) of their choices?
I think that if you take away the very concept of an eternal and accountable soul...all that is left is NOW; and a sure end to that now. What manner of psychological dynamic would that create in relatively simple-minded individuals? Pretty easy to imagine. Eat, drink and be 'merry'. And compete for the ability to do so.
We could go forward into the subjective abstract quagmire...and we have already. Water under the bridge. Suffice it to say that in my own mind, I have Spiritual/philosophical answers that work for me...but won't work for others. I'll bear witness to what I believe to be good and true...but I would never support a Government that FORCED an individual to believe contrary to their chosen values/beliefs. Only a Government that presented BOTH SIDES, as a matter of civic education in schools as a 'promotion of the common welfare'. Let each individual know BOTH ALTERNATIVE views...and then let them freely choose on the basis of an educated choice. Ignorance...is costly.
If there is a God...that would be it's preference. Ecucation...and choice. Know the Truth...it sets you free. Eternal existance...eternal non-existance. True sovereignty. You and me are the arbiter of our future and current reality. Fair enough.
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TheJacer
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:55 am to Ace Midnight)
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Just as the community ought to be able to put up a nativity at a fire station or a tree in the square of the town - the rights of the minority should be protected, but they should not dictate observances of the majority. I cannot see what is so bad, here.
Prophetic.
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jonboy
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:55 am to catholictigerfan)
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catholictigerfan
That Silverman guy last night said he was ok with the tree except that it was called a Christmas tree. He would be ok if it was called a winter solstace tree. The dude went on to say how horrible it was that he was forced "not to work" on Christmas day.
I just thought the guy was a hypocritical a-hole.
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TheDoc
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:56 am to TheJacer)
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but they should not dictate observances of the majority.
What If the majority was Muslim?
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TK421
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:58 am to jonboy)
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The dude went on to say how horrible it was that he was forced "not to work" on Christmas day.
Then he said he was working on Christmas day.
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jonboy
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:10 am to TK421)
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I don't think the guy realized O'reilly was making a fool of him.
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rsande2
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:15 am to RCDfan1950)
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I watched the interview, Rex. He handled O'Reilly.
I just watched the vid in the link and thought this guy O'reilly was interviewing looked foolish. This whole pc garbage and attack on Christmas is just stupid imho. But I disagree with O'reilly too, Christianity is a religion.
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rsande2
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:16 am to TheDoc)
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The government can't endorse any particular religion.
Sure they can....why not?
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TK421
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:22 am to jonboy)
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I don't think the guy realized O'reilly was making a fool of him.
To be fair, O'Reilly also came off as a douche in that interview. I'm really not sure who was more mad between the two of the them. I thought Bill was going to poke him in the eye at one point.
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TheDoc
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:30 am to rsande2)
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Sure they can....why not?
So you'd be cool with Muslim prayers before public high school graduation by the principal correct?
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jonboy
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:31 am to TK421)
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O'Reilly also came off as a douche
I agree...not as douchy as Hannity can though.
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I thought Bill was going to poke him in the eye at one point.
When O called him a fascist, I thought they were going to get into a fistfight.
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rsande2
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:33 am to TheDoc)
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So you'd be cool with Muslim prayers before public high school graduation by the principal correct?
I think we have different ideas of the govt endorsing a religion. Why don't we do high school graduations in spanish or french? Same argument right?
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charlieg14
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:34 am to RCDfan1950)
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I watched the interview, Rex. He handled O'Reilly. O tried his usual big guy intimidation...but that atheist is one tough hombre'
Which means he will NEVER be invited to appear on O'reilly's show ever again, and O'reilly will probably want to fire the producer who booked him.
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rsande2
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:35 am to jonboy)
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When O called him a fascist, I thought they were going to get into a fistfight.
I did too! Both of those guys in that vid were a joke imho. I think my opinion of O'reilly was never the same after the infamous clinton interview.....
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TheDoc
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| re: According to Bill O'Reilly, govt. endorsement of Christianity is OK because... (Posted on 11/29/12 at 11:36 am to rsande2)
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I think we have different ideas of the govt endorsing a religion. Why don't we do high school graduations in spanish or french? Same argument right?
Uh no. French and spanish are not religions.
Are you slow or something?
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