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bobbyray21 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:17 am to TigerBait1127)
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I'm not following you. I don't watch NFL football. At all. So I'm not advancing an argument either way.
I'm making the general point that you don't need four season's worth of evidence to make a claim that one guy is better than another.
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TigerBait1127 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:19 am to bobbyray21)
In order to be one of the best running backs in the league, you have to have all the tools. McCoy is a special, special talent
Bryce Brown is good, but he has a long way to go to be considered in the same category as McCoy instead of just a flash in the pan
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:21 am to Jcorye1)
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Wes Welker has shite for physical tools and he's an All-Pro.
I strongly disagree. When i say physical tools, I'm not limiting that to fricking NFL combine metrics.
My point: you can tell whether a guy is a good player on the basis of very little visual evidence.
I have no idea why you would think bringing up Wes Welker would serve as a legitimate couner-argument. Try again.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:23 am to TigerBait1127)
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In order to be one of the best running backs in the league, you have to have all the tools. McCoy is a special, special talent
Bryce Brown is good, but he has a long way to go to be considered in the same category as McCoy instead of just a flash in the pan
If McCoy is better than Brown because McCoy is simply better than Brown, that's fine and dandy. That could be the case.
My beef is with the guy that said "No, McCoy has more skins on the wall." And with statements similar to that. Skins on the wall are irrelevant to who is better. Cris Carter had more skins on the wall than Randy Moss when Moss came into the league. And Moss was better.
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Jcorye1 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:26 am to bobbyray21)
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I strongly disagree. When i say physical tools, I'm not limiting that to fricking NFL combine metrics.
So wait, your definition of physical tools isn't the same as every single other persons out there?
Wes is a short, slow white guy who just massively excels at creating space. He does it more by intelligence than physical skill.
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My point: you can tell whether a guy is a good player on the basis of very little visual evidence.
So who's scouting department do you work for? Why aren't you in the NFL right now if you really think that. If it really was that easy, you wouldn't have blown top ten picks every single year.
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:33 am to ItsThatDude12)
Not saying he is, but he very well may be. He needs to learn how to hold onto the ball FAST. His value will plummet if the fumbles continue. It's something that can be fixed. He had no time in college to learn how to tuck the ball while taking a big hit. He essentially made the transition from high school tacklers to NFL tacklers. It will take time, but he should be able to overcome it.
He's crushing McCoy in YPC and has twice as many TDs than him and he's only started 2 games.
The Eagles have big time value at the RB position and have a lot to consider.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:33 am to Jcorye1)
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So wait, your definition of physical tools isn't the same as every single other persons out there?
Wes is a short, slow white guy who just massively excels at creating space. He does it more by intelligence than physical skill.
Perhaps "physical tools" was the wrong term. I can see how it was misleading. All the stuff you mention in the second paragraph is stuff that can jump off the screen at you.
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So who's scouting department do you work for? Why aren't you in the NFL right now if you really think that. If it really was that easy, you wouldn't have blown top ten picks every single yea
I actually think I'm good at evaluating talent. I'm a lawyer, and after HS played sports only recreationally, so I don't see how I could get a job as a scout, and I don't think that would be a wise career move. But I think I'd be good at that. And I have a good deal of anecdotal evidence to support that claim, if you were interested.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:34 am to Jcorye1)
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Wes is a short, slow white guy
Wes Welker, btw, isn't slow.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:36 am to Jcorye1)
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If it really was that easy, you wouldn't have blown top ten picks every single year.
Maybe they should hire me then.
Jamarcuss Russell wouldn't have been drafted, I can assure you of this much.
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LSUSOBEAST1
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:38 am to Jcorye1)
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So who's scouting department do you work for? Why aren't you in the NFL right now if you really think that. If it really was that easy, you wouldn't have blown top ten picks every single year.
Statement like this are so fricking stupid. You can make good judgements on players and not be in the business of actually evaluating players.
Blown top ten picks are rarely because of a lack of physical skills/success at the previous level. Evaluating talent is fairly easy. Predicting how a player will handle the transition from high school/college to the pros is the hard part.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:41 am to LSUSOBEAST1)
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Statement like this are so fricking stupid. You can make good judgements on players and not be in the business of actually evaluating players.
Blown top ten picks are rarely because of a lack of physical skills/success at the previous level. Evaluating talent is fairly easy. Predicting how a player will handle the transition from high school/college to the pros is the hard part.
Thank you. People are acting like I'm saying something completely ridiculous.
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:16 am to bobbyray21)
There's a logical reason why top RBs have to hold out or show out to get respectable contracts most of the time. The league is full if backs that everyone was buzzing about last year. It's like fantasy league syndrome
If I was HC or GM I"d automatically pick up 1 or 2 every draft depending on availablility and value.
I'd be like Belechick. As soon as their production started getting me calls from their agent..see ya
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bobbyray21
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:37 am to Chef Leppard)
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There's a logical reason why top RBs have to hold out or show out to get respectable contracts most of the time. The league is full if backs that everyone was buzzing about last year. It's like fantasy league syndrome
If I was HC or GM I"d automatically pick up 1 or 2 every draft depending on availablility and value.
I'd be like Belechick. As soon as their production started getting me calls from their agent..see ya
I agree with this. The shelf life on RBs is so short. And RBs are as good in their rookie season as they'll ever be. Okay, they might improve somewhat from their first year to the second year, but not after that. There is nothing cerebral about the position. Accordingly, there is no benefit to giving a RB a long term contract unless he is absolutely the cream of the crop (Adrian Peterson). Why give a guy a tenfold pay increase when you know he's gonna hit the wall in a year?
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/3/12 at 6:32 am to bobbyray21)
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There is nothing cerebral about the position.
The NFL used to be all about setting up the play-action pass with the run-game. Now it's the opposite. A lot of teams are primarily throwing the ball. 3rd down backs who can block, chip, catch the ball, and run routes are now seeing the field on every play. So I wouldn't say there is nothing cerebral about the position. To be a running back for the upper echelon QBs like Brees, Rodgers, Manning, or Brady probably requires at least some degree of intelligence. The RB does have to know what he's doing out there and not simply ground-and-pound
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SwaggerCopter 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:02 pm to gizmoflak)
Bryce Brown with 12 carries for 6 yards today.
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 3:04 pm to SwaggerCopter)
Lol
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Aaron Rodgers
Overra. . . Oh, nevermind.
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tigerpimpbot 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:07 pm to SwaggerCopter)
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Bryce Brown with 12 carries for 6 yards today.
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dawgdayafternoon 
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:21 pm to SwaggerCopter)
Tampa has the #1 rush defense in the NFL at like 70 yards per game, FWIW.
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| re: Bryce Brown > LeSean McCoy? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:27 pm to dawgdayafternoon)
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Tampa has the #1 rush defense in the NFL at like 70 yards per game, FWIW.
He was only 64 yards short of that.
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