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Aristo
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


We must be wasting a lot of tax dollars then.





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90proofprofessional
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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Is it that hard to capitalize the first letter of a sentence?

i'm on my android, discussing in the most informal of settings. cry me a river.
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bringing up this topic, multiple people didn't even know what a subsidy was, they thought it was a tax deduction. So I'm not buying this awareness you speak of

bull shite. link some posts where normal posters here don't know what a subsidy is and you had to explain.
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Honestly sir, you're writing pattern (which I can tell is your speech pattern) is that of a very average intellect and modest education. I don't mean to be rude because you are right in a way, but you're also wrong.

1. you know nothing of my intellect or education. if you wanna get in a pissing contest there, let's do it. it's completely irrelevant to the topics at hand (not to mention about as douchey as you can get) but i like my chances, sir.
2. all i've done is point out glaring factual errors in your assertions. and i was unambiguously correct to do so in both cases.
3. sorry, but i couldn't resist bolding your little gaffe above, given the substance of the comment quoted.

re: tax incentives, regulation-borne unintended consequences that always benefit the biggest firms, and trade war- you're changing the subject.

i said in my first post that cronyism is rampant, and that wasn't bull shite. i agree with those posts. what i disagreed with, and what you have failed to support, is the assertion that corp welfare is a larger burden budget-wise than social welfare. you explicitly said we spend more on corps, and that was false. and you refuse to admit it. period. how humiliating for you that this had to be pointed out by a humble, lowbrow poster as myself.

we agree that both are problems. they are just not that close in magnitude, spending-wise. the social spending component if left unchecked will break us long-term, and the corporate one will not.






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hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
4997 posts

re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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Be good citizens. Get a job and become part of the solution. Help this country get back up on her feet. Stop dragging her down.


The democratic party and it politicians work tirelessly to prevent this from ever happening.






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RCDfan1950
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United States
Member since Feb 2007
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


Well, just got back from the water...good day under the sun. See that yall have been at it...Mo...out in Left field/tunnel vision Utopia. Guess it's time for this one to go to Rantard heaven.

Re that bottle of wine disagreement. The whole societal economy is based upon the production and trade of goods and services. Each of us are rewarded for the value (determined by demand and supply) of the good or service that we offer. No offer...no reward. The man (salesman) bought the wine, poured by the tipped (deduction) waiter, from the happy winemaker, for a client whom he hopes will add to the Corporate coffers, and the Corporation 'wrote it off' of it's taxes. TAXES to the government for what beneficial economic service? To protect it's/our freedom (Free Market) to engage in that merit-based collective production and exchange of goods and services.

The way that Mo frames and addresses his own question (not mine)...would be 'what do Corporations owe poor folk' (through government taxation)? Nothing to do with the particular OP - which addresses whether citizens who demand social justice subsidies from those who labor, and as well those who INVEST in Corporations using the monetary fruits of their legitimate labor and who rightfully expect a return, for the risk - whether such folk who ride the wagon owe anything at all.

I can not think of a single time when Mo addressed whether or not an individual who contributes nothing to the system has a moral right to make a demand for subsidization from it. Didn't touch it...went straight to demonizing the (immorality of) PEOPLE who are the essence of Corporations. I don't defend Corporations...they are a group of people; groups of people will always be good and bad. If they get out of line like BP, serving unqualified profit motivation...make em pay. Play fair...or get whacked.

And damn the subsidies and bailouts, to private Corporations. Especially political cronyism. Though there are instances where if China subsidizes hers, to run ours out of business and establish a monoploy and hold power over ideological and economic competitors...then subsidies might be warranted. Especially in critical instances...for sure.

Charity to the poor, and those less able to compete, might be warranted. In fact, service toward the weaker brethren is the opportunistic pinnacle of human spiritual enterprise. For the individual DOING THE GIVING. But only and if that charity DOES NO HARM to the Individual or the Collective recieving it. Who spoils their kids, giving on demand with no qualifiers? Only a fool whose serving hand will get bit. Qualifiers is key.

The point of my original OP was that if we are entering a new experimental era of some sort, employing a State-based economic order which uses high tech productive power to create a largesse of charitable potential to 'spread the wealth around'...then fine with me. Food stamps for all. But there had damn well better be some ground rules...other than the rich are evil and the poor are good. BS!

But what I see going on out there is about as far from being a fruitful spiritual/charitable enterprise - concocted with solid moral rules and lending no harm - as I could imagine. In fact, it looks like just the opposite; an envisioned paradigm of Law, based up a moral premise where an unqualified outright heathen (having no moral compass) could demand equality...or IS...essentially...EQUAL.

That is utter madness. If not downright EVIL. It's bound to fail, as it should. Shame on the *leaders* who foist this lie on the ignorant and the misguided, for whatever reason. The suffering that will befall the folk at the fall of this perverted egalatarian power grab, should be hung right around the necks of them that perpetrate it. Disgusting! God will judge. IMHO. And if God don't...Nature sure as hell will.

Geez!






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Member since Jan 2010
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Let's face it, if the rich didn't want all of these give away programs, we wouldn't have them.

After all, do people really believe the poor run this country?






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SoulGlo
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Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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ought by who? Not by him, because he wrote it off.


So much fail. Do you even understand how tax write-offs work?






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NimbleCat
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Houston, TX
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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Do you even understand how tax write-offs work?


Cosmo Kramer explains Tax Write Offs to Jerry






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mograyback
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Do you even understand how tax write-offs work?



Explain it, thanks.






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mograyback
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RCDfan1950



You should have just posted a link to your blog.

RCD, you're a poor writer. Some people are stupid and bad writers, you're somewhat intelligent, but a god awful writer. It was annoying to read that jumbled mess.

You have "are" when it should be "is", and "but" where it should be "and". (Its like when I talk to a small child and I have no idea what it's saying, but I'm able to piece it together in the end).

Where did I say or elude to the idea that corporations owe poor people anything? Thanks for making the assumption though. In fact, I've repeatedly pressed the point that I don't agree with the majority of social welfare either.

I have no vision of Utopia. Where have I mentioned anything of the sort?

Or have I been trying to get people who complain about the poor leeching on society to at least consider what is going on in the corporate world? I see you're not for subsidies either, but It's been an observation of mine that many people complaining do not consider the flip side of welfare.

The tax write-off argument came secondary. Yes I understand that someone pays for the write off, I understand there is some benefit to the economy. My point is not that it has no benefit, but that there is a slight irony in a man who doesn't have to pay his country club membership fee because he 'entertains clients', yet he also complains about people taking a free ham sandwich. I realize that is a broad stroke, it's just a point of view that is often times not considered by people complaining about handouts. And again, this doesn't even touch corporate bail outs, tax shelters, and other forms of corporate welfare.

(For the sake of our species, I really hope you had some drinks in your during that last post).



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Jbird
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My point is not that is has no benefit


Your point is what? Speaking of painful. Good thing you are somewhat more intelligent than the average writer.






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mograyback
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Member since Jul 2011
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Jbird


Edit: Not worth it.



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Jbird
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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Edit: Not worth it.


No wonder you are from the blow me state afterall!






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mograyback
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Member since Jul 2011
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Jbird


Really? You want to be in a grown up conversation, act like one.

You did the little quote snipe game and didn't respond to my post at all, then made another childish statement. I'll just know to avoid you in the future. Have a good one chubs.



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Jbird
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


What is the matter lessgraymatter? You are quick to point out every typo from others. suddenly you get sensitive?





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Member since Jan 2010
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


I'm reading along...
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RCD, you're a poor writer. Some people are stupid and bad writers, you're somewhat intelligent, but a god awful writer. It was annoying to read that jumbled mess. You have "are" when it should be "is", and "but" where it should be "and". (Its like when I talk to a small child and I have no idea what it's saying, but I'm able to piece it together in the end).

...but then:
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Where did I say or elude to the idea that corporations owe poor people anything?

You blew it.






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mograyback
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Member since Jul 2011
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


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WildTchoupitoulas



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Ham Malone
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Topeka
Member since Nov 2010
1162 posts

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You should get credit for fighting the poliboard hivemind, most just sit back and make fun of it. Its pretty frustrating when you agree about a lot of things, but if it isn't phrased lockstep with what gets repeated here you get attacked relentlessly and if you post enough they'll come up with a reason to ban you.





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GreatLakesTiger24
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Hollywood South
Member since May 2012
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re: What do the 'poor', owe society?


to keep their communities from going to shite.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Okay, so you posted it, then you edited your post, then I re-posted it...


...I'm alluding to your misuse of the word "elude".

When correcting a poster's grammar, it is imperative that your post be grammatically correct.







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ShortyRob
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Member since Oct 2008
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I just skimmed this thread but did I really see a guy repeatedly make the assertion that if I get to use a tax deduction then that equals me not having spend the money in the first place?

Talk about your classic liberal who think all the money is the government's first.

You really do have to love these jackasses. The top 50% pay ALL the income taxes now but is that good enough? Noooooo.

The very definition of greed is the liberal mind.






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