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Layabout 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:55 am to rsande2)
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i was under the impression churches did not want to be forced to recognize same sex couples as married
Some mainstream churches actively support gay marriage and they perform gay marriage ceremonies. The marriages are recognized by those churches. If other denominations don't want to recognize them, that's their prerogative. The government, however, should recognize all of them.
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GeauxTigerTM 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:03 pm to TheJacer)
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What I meant to say was I can't discuss politics in public because my political views are viciously villified as insensative, racist, sexist and other ists.
In certain parts of the country, sure. If you are in the South, your views but you solidly within the mainstream. Take a look at this board, for instance. Assuming you're in the south, other than an employer's desire to keep political arguments out of the work place, I can't imagine what your problem would be in this regard.
Try telling someone you don't believe gods exist living in the South. You'd just as soon tell them you eat babies...
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TheJacer
Member since Nov 2012
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
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I eat babies...
WHAT?!
I understand, I knew at least a handful of people in highschool who didn't believe in God.
The problem in both our cases is misrepresentation. In some church environments people demonize atheists. Mischaracterizing them as heathens and the destitute. Morally bankrupt.
You, then, should understand my temper when I turn on the television and the premise of illegimate rape has been expanded by the media and the DNC to pertain to all conservatives, not just one with foot in mouth disease.
Unless you would argue I've imagined the media slant.
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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 2:10 pm to Powerman)
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Congress isn't passing a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion
In Mass a letter from the IRS was read aloud. It state if the Chruch continued to express it's views on abortion they would lose al tax expempt status now granted them.
That was followed by the longest Anti-Abortion sermon ever delivered at a mass.
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theenemy 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:08 pm to Powerman)
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But I'm not so sure that this is true at all when it comes to social issues. Without even looking at any statistics I can promise you that people 21-35 are much likely to support equal marriage rights. People don't go from being for marriage equality to thinking that the government should tell people they can't marry when they're older. CURRENT older people might be more likely to be against things like gay marriage and abortion but that doesn't mean that the youth will change on those issues when they're older.
The only thing that will change with the youth as they age is that they'll be more likely to vote.
Not reading all these pages so im sorry if this has already been pointed out.
The thing is peoples social views doesn't change that much but their priorities do.
Typically, the elderly places a higher priority on economics so as they may agree with liberal social views many will vote by which economic side they agree with.
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GeauxTigerTM
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:37 pm to TheJacer)
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You, then, should understand my temper when I turn on the television and the premise of illegimate rape has been expanded by the media and the DNC to pertain to all conservatives, not just one with foot in mouth disease.
There were long time posters defending his comments here...so, you know...your battle is not just one with the MSM.
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Unless you would argue I've imagined the media slant.
Absolutely not...the majority of all media, be it movies, music, news, TV, etc slants to the left. Again, to go back to my original reply to Pman, I'm STILL a registered republican, though I'll fix that shortly. I've noticed and been bothered by this slant for longer than I've been bothered by the clear ostracizing of nonbelievers. Anyone suggesting it isn't real is on the left, and they simply like the bias. This is the exact same thing I'd tell religious folks too, though. There is a HUGE pro-religious leaning to this country, and anything that falls outside of that is considered, at best...crazy. When I, or others, point this out to religious folks, we're told this bias doesn't exist. Sound familiar?
The problem for republicans is that far too many ARE absolutely bonkers and are far too vocal about it. (See Pman's OP) That's not a defense of liberals or democrats...who I could never see myself vote for...but it doesn't absolve the lunacy of far too many on the right.
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Powerman
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Corpus Christi, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:00 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER)
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In Mass a letter from the IRS was read aloud. It state if the Chruch continued to express it's views on abortion they would lose al tax expempt status now granted them.
How many times does it need to be explained that paying taxes does not equal losing your right to practice your religion?
Motherfricker you people are just frustrating to hold a conversation with
It's like it's pointed out 50 thousand motherfricking times and you idiots keep repeating the same shite that has nothing to do with anything
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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Member since Jan 2004
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:07 pm to Powerman)
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Motherfricker you people are just frustrating to hold a conversation with
So they can say keep your mouth shut and keep tax exempt status. Practice freedom of speech get taxed. What tax does this fall under?
BTW pretty sure the IRS was told to retact that letter.
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Powerman
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Corpus Christi, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:12 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER)
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So they can say keep your mouth shut and keep tax exempt status. Practice freedom of speech get taxed. What tax does this fall under?
Again, why should they automatically be granted tax exemption without question?
The concept is fricking absurd.
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mograyback 
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Member since Jul 2011
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:19 pm to Powerman)
I am someone that definitely has gotten more socially liberal as I've gotten older.
I was raised under a lot of pressure to be very conservative. I went to catholic school my whole life, then went to a large liberal university and A LOT changed.
I will say issues like gay marriage deserve more than talking about if it should be legal or not.
I do believe that there very well may be a gay gene. And some people really are gay. But I also think A LOT A LOT A LOT of guys are just confused, they aren't alpha males, and they end up getting poisoned with the perversion of gayness. And this poison kind of spreads in them and is virtually impossible to remove. For this reason, I don't like the over celebration of gayness. While it should be legal for them to get married, there should be an understanding that they're not normal. I think too often they want to have their cake and eat it too, well that's just not how it should be. If you're gay, you should also realize that you are far from normal.
People that want to protect that sanctity of marriage are just outdated, yes it should be between a man and a women. Gayness really is a perversion in our dna, but it is here, it is reality. To block them from getting married would only be acceptable if straight people respected marriage better. We have a 50% divorce rate, and a lot of people that stay together do it for financial reasons.. who are we to talk.
This post was edited on 11/21 at 4:24 pm
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Colonel Toddy 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:25 pm to JOJO Hammer)
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The state of Califoria voted against gay marriage in 2008. The supreme court of the state of Califoria said the people were wrong and over turned the vote. The popular vote was overturned in a liberal state, is that supprising to anyone?
Wrong. The Cali Supreme Court upheld it. A lawsuit was filed in federal District Court where it was found to be unconstitutional. A three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit affirmed that ruling and the case was then appealed to the full Ninth Circuit where they declined to hear it. It's been appealed to the SCOTUS where it will be considered on NOvember 30th.
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Puck82
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Member since Mar 2009
5477 posts
| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:20 pm to Powerman)
Holy shite you are fricking dense. If the government grants tax exempt status to religions it should be across the board regardless of their beliefs if they are a recognized religion. Do you agree or disagree?
Promoting the ones that fit their agenda through continued tax exemption and penalizing those that do not by revoking that status is where I have the issue.
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Neako27blitzz
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Member since Sep 2011
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:55 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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I'm socially conservative in my own life. I think homosexual relationships are a sin, but I've come to the conclusion that the state isn't a proper medium to spread or enforce Christian doctrine. I haven't heard a convincing argument why two consenting adults can't enter into a secular government contract.
x1000
I dont agree with gay marriage but nobody has the right to force them to live a certain way. Churches need to stand their ground on this though and decline to perform them.
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lsu480 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:06 pm to Pilot Tiger)
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churches want to do whatever they want and want the govt to stay out of their business, all the while keeping their non profit status and not paying taxes
So churches want to be treated like the rest of us do....
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Wolfhound45
LSU Fan
WhereverTheArmySendsUs
Member since Nov 2009
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/22/12 at 6:06 am to Puck82)
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Promoting the ones that fit their agenda through continued tax exemption and penalizing those that do not by revoking that status is where I have the issue.
Well said.
However, he does not believe in equal protection under the law. The law only affords protection to those who are subservient to will of the state. In other words, tyranny.
In his worldview, it is not the responsibility of the state to protect the governed, but the responsibility of he governed to submit to the will of the state.
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Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/22/12 at 6:19 am to mograyback)
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Posted by mograyback on 11/21 at 4:19 pm to Powerman I am someone that definitely has gotten more socially liberal as I've gotten older. I was raised under a lot of pressure to be very conservative. I went to catholic school my whole life, then went to a large liberal university and A LOT changed. I will say issues like gay marriage deserve more than talking about if it should be legal or not. I do believe that there very well may be a gay gene. And some people really are gay. But I also think A LOT A LOT A LOT of guys are just confused, they aren't alpha males, and they end up getting poisoned with the perversion of gayness. And this poison kind of spreads in them and is virtually impossible to remove. For this reason, I don't like the over celebration of gayness. While it should be legal for them to get married, there should be an understanding that they're not normal. I think too often they want to have their cake and eat it too, well that's just not how it should be. If you're gay, you should also realize that you are far from normal. People that want to protect that sanctity of marriage are just outdated, yes it should be between a man and a women. Gayness really is a perversion in our dna, but it is here, it is reality. To block them from getting married would only be acceptable if straight people respected marriage better. We have a 50% divorce rate, and a lot of people that stay together do it for financial reasons.. who are we to talk.
Wow you are really all over the board here aren't you.
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