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Powerman
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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Should a Christian photographer have the right not to do gay marraogr ceremonies?

Baker choose not to do "gay wedding" cakes?

Church not perform the ceremonies?

Church lose tax exempt status for not doing ceremonies?

Hobby Lobby just lost a case where it didn't want to provide abortion coverage for its employees.

What "rights" do you have if you can't speak, operate a business, or participate in a Christian church?


But this is where you aren't getting it

All of the above are profitable institutions

Only one doesn't pay taxes. Why should they not pay taxes?






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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What I would like to silence is ignorant anti-theists who enjoy vandalizing civilized debate with rattle jawed repeats of anticdotal arguments to disprove "non-empirical belief systems." Not that I've ever read any of your posts before now, just speaking on the matter.


No...I'm sure you're completely new to this forum.

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I have noticed tho that this is a political discussion board, not a religious debate board.


Since you're "new" here, I'll assume you didn't know that there was a time when religious debate was literally part of the title of this board. when whiny asses who did not take part in the discussions began to complain to the admins about it, they shut it down...meaning they shut down one side of the debate.

And as I've always said, if you're going to propose a deity as the reason for anything, then one has the right to make you support the claim that said deity actually exists. If it's the view of the admins that this question cannot and should never be asked, then by all means make that perfectly clear...but to suggest that there can be no religious debates but continue to allow guys to assert their deity of choice as the reason for morality is simply bad form.






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TigerJeff
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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The federal government has no right to regulate health care


Really? What is "Obamacare" then?






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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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Any person or business should be able to refuse their services or products to whomever they want. It is their choice. If they choose not to expand their business to a certain population that is their choice and their loss.


No Shoes, No Shirt, No Morals, No Service?






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TheJacer
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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You are part of a majority that makes up nearly 80% of the United States. You're not being oppressed.


In my (albeit short) adult life I've never been able to speak my mind about welfare or immigration without being called a racist. I would argue the hard left stance the media has taken, with the support of various left wing organizations has succesfully oppressed the majority. I certainly feel oppressed, and marginally depressed about it :(






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wavebreaker
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


Wrong.

After interracial marriage became a Civil Right, there were successful IRS cases against churches refusing to perform ceremonies.

If "gay marriage" is the law of the land, it's a basis for loss of tax exemption and for civil penalties for civil rights violations.

Don't look for the MSM to tell you what the real fight is over here.

We now find out Hobby Lobby and the Catholic Church lost fights not to pay for employee aboortion and birth control due to ObamaCare.

The consequences are any church that won't perform gay marriages will be shut down. Any preacher speaking out can be arrested for "hate speech" violations. Any private business objecting can also be sued (like the Christian baler and photographer and bed & breakfast owner).










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JOJO Hammer
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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The federal government has no right to regulate health care




Really? What is "Obamacare" then?



The feds over stepping their boundries. The expantion of the federal government creating more dependents (free loading leaches) to drain and collapse the economy which will lead to a new socailist government where we don't have freedom.






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Powerman
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After interracial marriage became a Civil Right, there were successful IRS cases against churches refusing to perform ceremonies.


Are you actually arguing that this is a bad thing?

Seriously, what year is it? 1968?






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Puck82
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


You miss the point. If a gay photographer only wants to takes pictures of gays that should be his/her right. Same for straight. The government getting involved and trying to tell people how they should think and run thier lives is getting out of hand.





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FT
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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wavebreaker
You figured it out. frick.

Ok guys, back to the drawing board. Our plan to have millions of men and women all over the world and throughout recorded history pretend to love each other and have homosexual relations in an attempt to eventually legalize gay marriage in the United States so that we could destroy Christianity failed.






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wavebreaker
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A private business, yes.

A church? First Amendment prohibits Congress from passing any law interfering with the free exercise of religion.

How do you tax a church? Sending missionaries to Africa a "legitimate business expense"?

Amazing how easily people hand away basic human rights to the State so easily. 1984 here we come.






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FT
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First Amendment prohibits Congress from passing any law interfering with the free exercise of religion.
No it doesn't. If it did, I could have ritual human sacrifice in my religion and not be interfered with if everyone was a willing participant.






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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In my (albeit short) adult life I've never been able to speak my mind about welfare or immigration without being called a racist.


And...are you still able to speak out about it, or are you being oppressed?
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I would argue the hard left stance the media has taken, with the support of various left wing organizations has succesfully oppressed the majority.


Not when it comes to religion. If you're not on Team Jesus, you're unelectable...regardless of which side of the aisle you're on. Religion, and Christianity specifically, completely permeates our culture to the point where if there is ANY push-back people freak out and start declaring themselves oppressed.

As an atheist living in South Louisiana, I find the claim of oppression hilarious.






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Powerman
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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You miss the point. If a gay photographer only wants to takes pictures of gays that should be his/her right.

Right

Remind me again of how photographers are exempt from income taxes and get back to me






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TheJacer
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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GeauxTigerTM


I think there is a misunderstanding here. I am not disagreeing with you. Theological debate is every bit as beneficial as political debate. However, your reasoning seems to be misplaced. You say the moderators intentionally changed the rules to circumvent an action, it sounds to me like they've already made their decision and have infact opted to ignore your concerns about one sided debate. A decision which is perfectly allowed to them.

Also I've always found fault with people who insist on empirical evidence of a being who is super natural. Our belief in an ethereal being hinges on this beings ability to perform acts without the aid of nature or any other measurable force. Sounds like an apples and oranges paradox to me.






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TheJacer
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


I'm sorry, jumped the gun on the submit button.

to Geaux:

I wasn't talking about religious oppression. I agree with you 100% in that regard, however i don't think its a bad thing.

I have conservative views, both fiscally and socially. And even here in Louisiana I can't discuss them in the work place.



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Powerman
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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A church? First Amendment prohibits Congress from passing any law interfering with the free exercise of religion.


Does paying taxes somehow prohibit their free exercise of religion?






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Wolfhound45
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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Does paying taxes somehow prohibit their free exercise of religion?


Absolutely, positively not.

However, if tax exemption is withdrawn from one religious groups who opposes government policy, while another religious group is permitted to keep their tax exemption because they support the government policy, then you have a violation of the 1st Amendment.






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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I think there is a misunderstanding here. I am not disagreeing with you. Theological debate is every bit as beneficial as political debate. However, your reasoning seems to be misplaced. You say the moderators intentionally changed the rules to circumvent an action, it sounds to me like they've already made their decision and have infact opted to ignore your concerns about one sided debate. A decision which is perfectly allowed to them.


That may be so, but it's never been specifically stated. Up until the day I was to post again, the private message that adorned my screen was that chicken did not want religious discussions on his board. And yet, they still occur daily. My problem is with the inherent dishonesty of the edict...not so much with the edict itself.

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Also I've always found fault with people who insist on empirical evidence of a being who is super natural. Our belief in an ethereal being hinges on this beings ability to perform acts without the aid of nature or any other measurable force. Sounds like an apples and oranges paradox to me.


Sorry...I just got back. I'm not taking this bait, champ.






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Puck82
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


It's all about freedom. A church shouldn't lose their non profit tax exempt status because they don't follow the governments forced belief system.





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