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Powerman
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I can understand that. I've just come to appreciate a world where there are multiple options available to all. In past experience, like in a work environment, when things don't go my way for one reason or another I've moved along as we are afforded the ability to by virtue of our freedoms

So what you're saying is that you don't have any backbone to stand up for yourself and everyone else should fold like a tent too?

Sorry, that's now how freedom advances.






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Wolfhound45
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I didn't specify any particular sexual practice and marriage doesn't prevent gays from doing whatever it is they want to do in the bedroom.


And there you have it. Let me worship as I will and let them live their lives as they will. Both sides get what they want. Too easy.






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Powerman
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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Let me worship as I will and let them live their lives as they will

So you're pro gay marriage as long as Churches aren't forced to recognize it?






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Wolfhound45
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So you're pro gay marriage as long as Churches aren't forced to recognize it?


I am not in favor of gay marriage. Nor could I ever be.

Having said that, if the government chooses to recognize gay marriage then so be it. All I ask is that I be permitted to worship as I see fit.

I am of the opinion (opinion only) that this will not be acceptable to those who see things differently from me.






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wavebreaker
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Or in hiring practices?

Or in business? A Christian photographer was recently successfully sued for refusing to do a "gay wedding" (oxymoronic phrase).

In Canada a human rights commission convicted a Christian for quoting the Bible's view on homosexuality.

"Hate speech is non speech" on college campuses.

The purpose of "gay marriage" is to destroy churches. Civil unions already existed. Some other legal path was available. Specifically targeting the institution of marriage and churches was the goal.

Now we find out the consequences. Hiring practices. Tax exempt status. Hate speech laws. People have lost jobs for posting on Facebook they are against "gay marriage."










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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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So what you're saying is that you don't have any backbone to stand up for yourself and everyone else should fold like a tent too?


To answer his question though your answer, Pman...I try and make this point here because I enjoy THIS board. I was brought here by virtue of being an LSU fan, and eventually migrated over to this board. I enjoyed the hell out of the religious debates I was involved in here, and it was precisely because of who inhabited this board. Unlike this guy, I'm not interested in being surrounded by a sea of voices who all echo my own sentiments...and I'd never advocate for silencing voices here with whom I disagree or who I found offensive.

Hey...sorry to derail your thread. I did agree with you in my first post though, so I didn't totally hijack it! haha






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TheJacer
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So what you're saying is that you don't have any backbone to stand up for yourself and everyone else should fold like a tent too?

Sorry, that's now how freedom advances.


I'm sorry, have you ever held a job?

choosing other means of employment when your employer attempts to marginalize your talents, abilities and work effort is the exact opposite of folding. the type of standing up for yourself you speak of is called organized labor, which currently has a strangle hold on a considerable portion of manufacturing jobs here in the US.

This is exactly how freedom advances. This is exactly how freedom advanced here in the US. We left one bloated oppressive government because that option was available, when our leaving weakened our former oppressors they tried to remove that option. And that kids is how the Revolutionary War started.

Feable individuals like you put us in the position we are in today. Where once we were protected by the constitution and had the option to leverage our abilities and value as individuals to drive economic change without worrying about any one special interest group or government entity taking that option from us, a new breed of simpletons chose to forego individual liberties to have the federal government protect their specific unfortunate circumstances.

tl;dr

You have a poor understanding of my post, and probably the Constitution.






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Powerman
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I am not in favor of gay marriage. Nor could I ever be.


So you weren't completely honest when you said "let them live their lives as they will" then were you?






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Wolfhound45
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So you weren't completely honest when you said "let them live their lives as they will" then were you?


Not in the least bit. I stated my position succinctly and clearly. My religious beliefs preclude me from supporting gay marriage. I am permitted to express my beliefs under the 1st Amendment.

If gay marriage becomes the law of the several state then I will obey the law. I simply ask to be permitted to worship as my conscience dictates.

Are you against me worshipping as my conscience dictates? Does the 1st Amendment still provide me that right?






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GeauxTigerTM
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The purpose of "gay marriage" is to destroy churches.


Idiotic.

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People have lost jobs for posting on Facebook they are against "gay marriage."


People have also lost jobs for doing any number of idiotic things on Facebook. Did you miss the story from a day or so ago about the chick from the NE who took her picture "screaming" at Arlington and put it up on social media? Or the other chick who felt the need to show her arse on Facebook during the hurricanes down here and got fired for it? The issue there is with spouting off on social media...not that there is some protected class.

You are part of a majority that makes up nearly 80% of the United States. You're not being oppressed.






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wavebreaker
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There's an implication in this discussion that we are progressing, advancing, evolving in a positive manner.

This is a Christian notion, btw, adopted ironically by Marxistd. There is an end to history and we are marching toward it.

History, however, is a record of civilizations in ascendency, peak, and decline. We are in the decline phase of American civilization. Massively expanded welfare state, open borders,
great debt, retracting influence globally, failure of leadership, rampant crime, fracturing families, abortion destroying the next generation (50 million so far). Things will accelerate and get worse. United Soviet States will dissolve and we move to something new.

20th Century was the American century. China will overtake us soon as the largest economy. We will vote socialist and have a stagnant decade or two, then rapidly decline to second world status.






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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Powerman you suffer from
Constitution Comprehension Disorder.

BTW Saying something over and over only works if you add truth and substance to the issue.






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TheJacer
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To answer his question though your answer, Pman...I try and make this point here because I enjoy THIS board. I was brought here by virtue of being an LSU fan, and eventually migrated over to this board. I enjoyed the hell out of the religious debates I was involved in here, and it was precisely because of who inhabited this board. Unlike this guy, I'm not interested in being surrounded by a sea of voices who all echo my own sentiments...and I'd never advocate for silencing voices here with whom I disagree or who I found offensive.


Its funny you would assume I want to silence opposing opinions. What I would like to silence is ignorant anti-theists who enjoy vandalizing civilized debate with rattle jawed repeats of anticdotal arguments to disprove "non-empirical belief systems." Not that I've ever read any of your posts before now, just speaking on the matter. I have noticed tho that this is a political discussion board, not a religious debate board.






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Puck82
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


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So you're pro gay marriage as long as Churches aren't forced to recognize it?


Why force anyone to believe what they want. People should have the freedom to believe, recognize, endorse, etc... whatever they want. The hive mentality of the left is troubling. We are all different and should not have to conform to a set of norms when it comes to opinions or beliefs.



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Powerman
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Not in the least bit. I stated my position succinctly and clearly. My religious beliefs preclude me from supporting gay marriage. I am permitted to express my beliefs under the 1st Amendment.

So why pretend that you're taking this let them live how they want attitude?






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TheJacer
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I think we all need to understand the government can not constitutionally force a church to consecrate a sacrement (or whatever other churches consider marriage) against their belief system and their will.

This "gay marriage" term is referring to the state to recognize a civil union between two people of the same sex under the same terms as a marriage between a man and a woman. Hence, same sex marriage.

**edit**
this would be done the same way catholics get married after divorce. the church will not recognize their new union, but the state will.



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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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I have noticed tho that this is a political discussion board, not a religious debate board.


Since the goverment has decided that they need to be into the churchs every day bussiness and make threats to the churchs, religon has been a hot topic here.






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wavebreaker
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re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow


Should a Christian photographer have the right not to do gay marraogr ceremonies?

Baker choose not to do "gay wedding" cakes?

Church not perform the ceremonies?

Church lose tax exempt status for not doing ceremonies?

Hobby Lobby just lost a case where it didn't want to provide abortion coverage for its employees.

What "rights" do you have if you can't speak, operate a business, or participate in a Christian church?







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Wolfhound45
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So why pretend that you're taking this let them live how they want attitude?


Not pretending in the least bit. I have not posted one disparaging comment about gay marriage on this board. Ever.

All you are doing is proving my point. You are not satisfied that I do not support gay marriage. We all have to submit to the collective.

Glad you are such a strong proponent of my 1st Amendment rights.






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Puck82
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Any person or business should be able to refuse their services or products to whomever they want. It is their choice. If they choose not to expand their business to a certain population that is their choice and their loss.





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