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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:30 am to Powerman)
I think you are right. The social conservative is dying ad I don't see this generation morphing into a more morally conservative group. Previous generations sowed their wild oats, but returned to the values they learned in church and Sunday school once they matured. Less and less of this generation is being churched which means they are getting their values somewhere else. So once they mature, there won't be that same spiritual foundation to return to.
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NaturalBeam 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:33 am to Revelator)
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Less and less of this generation is being churched which means they are getting their values somewhere else
Again, if their values will start coming from the mindset of supporting liberty and allowing consenting adults to do as they please, I think this is a great thing. And I go to Church every Sunday.
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wavebreaker
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:33 am to NaturalBeam)
Republicans went left with Romney.
Get someone "electable."
Was a close race in the key swing states but not a win.
These future predictions are missing a key fact: We don't know the future.
A huge economic crisis and decline will lead to either an adoption of totalitarianism within the US or to a new Great Awakening. Look at Israel in the Bible. Prosperity led to turning away from God which led to hard tomes which led to repentance.
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NaturalBeam
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:34 am to wavebreaker)
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Republicans went left with Romney.
Get someone "electable."
What a laughable cop out
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:35 am to Wolfhound45)
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Powerman
Still awaiting an answer my friend.
Unless I misunderstood you, are you saying that persecution based upon religious beliefs is not necessarily a bad thing?
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Powerman
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:35 am to wavebreaker)
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Take out God and where do our rights come from?
I wonder what it would be like living in a country where your rights are decided by religious teachings?
Hmm. Do we have any examples of that?
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Pilot Tiger 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:36 am to wavebreaker)
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Prosperity led to turning away from God which led to hard tomes which led to repentance.
well move to Saudi Arabia. I hear they're pretty socially conservative
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:37 am to NaturalBeam)
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Again, if their values will start coming from the mindset of supporting liberty and allowing consenting adults to do as they please, I think this is a great thing. And I go to Church every Sunday.
Amen.
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Powerman
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:37 am to Wolfhound45)
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Unless I misunderstood you, are you saying that persecution based upon religious beliefs is not necessarily a bad thing?
You and I probably have different ideas on what "persecution" is.
If a Church has their tax exempt status revoked, I wouldn't consider that persecution.
If a Church doesn't truly run a profit in the first place then there isn't really much to tax is there?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:39 am to Powerman)
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I wonder what it would be like living in a country where your rights are decided by religious teachings?
Hmm. Do we have any examples of that?
Actually, yes I do. The greatest example given to man.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Pilot Tiger
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:41 am to Wolfhound45)
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Actually, yes I do. The greatest example given to man.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
only if you're a white male 
This post was edited on 11/21 at 8:42 am
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Powerman
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:41 am to Wolfhound45)
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Actually, yes I do. The greatest example given to man.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Funny. When did the declaration of independence replace the constitution as the governing document of the land on which our laws and rights are based?
Where does it say that we need to follow the laws of a religion?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:44 am to Powerman)
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You and I probably have different ideas on what "persecution" is.
If a Church has their tax exempt status revoked, I wouldn't consider that persecution.
If a Church doesn't truly run a profit in the first place then there isn't really much to tax is there?
We are actually not that far apart. I would be happy to see churches lose their tax exempt status. As long as their 1st Amendment rights are protected.
Problem is, based upon the scenario I posited (and your response), they are losing their tax exempt status because of their exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
So in the not so distant future those churches that "toe the line" on these social issues retain their tax exempt status, correct?
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Powerman
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:46 am to Wolfhound45)
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Problem is, based upon the scenario I posited (and your response), they are losing their tax exempt status because of their exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
Isn't any other non profit already subject to this though?
We are talking about a special preferred tax status being awarded to organizations that fit certain criteria.
If they do something that doesn't meet that criteria then they should be taxed like any other organization IMO
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:47 am to Powerman)
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Funny. When did the declaration of independence replace the constitution as the governing document of the land on which our laws and rights are based?
Where does it say that we need to follow the laws of a religion?
It is not the governing document of the land. It provided the means for there to be a United States.
It does not direct that any particular religion be followed.
It simply acknowledges we are created by a Creator. That is the simplicity and beauty of it.
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GoCrazyAuburn 
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:49 am to Powerman)
I think you are talking to social republicans, not conservatives. I don't know anyone who understands what conservatism is, that wants the gov't to be able to dictate morality.
The problem is not its social conservatives, it's with the vocal social neo-cons bordering on authoritarians that give actual conservatives a bad name.
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:49 am to Powerman)
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I'm just saying don't be shocked when these things are decided at the state level via popular vote and gay marriage passes
The state of Califoria voted against gay marriage in 2008. The supreme court of the state of Califoria said the people were wrong and over turned the vote. The popular vote was overturned in a liberal state, is that supprising to anyone?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:50 am to Powerman)
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If they do something that doesn't meet that criteria then they should be taxed like any other organization IMO
What criteria? Denying their religious beliefs at the behest of the government?
Europe in the 1600s.
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Powerman
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:51 am to JOJO Hammer)
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The state of Califoria voted against gay marriage in 2008. The supreme court of the state of Califoria said the people were wrong and over turned the vote. The popular vote was overturned in a liberal state, is that supprising to anyone?
Polling data suggests that if it were put to a popular vote in 2012 it would have went the other way FWIW
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TheJacer
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| re: Some tough truths for "social conservatives" to swallow (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:53 am to GeauxTigerTM)
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iously...can I say something here or what? Can he simply ASSERT that a god exists and ask this question, or do I have the right to ask him to prove his assertion?
This is the inherent unfairness of this policy on this board. There is clearly no interest in banning the topic entirely, and yet because nearly every admin agrees in one way or another with this guy the only opinions that get highlighted are the ones which challenge it.
Would you have Obama regulate this board to ensure fairness? Or like most grown adults move along and put this minor frustration behind you?
I would politely suggest going to find a board which meets your criteria for "fairness."
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