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LSU7096 
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:01 pm to RollTide1987)
Slavery
Share croppers
migrant workers
How much different are they?
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davesdawgs 
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:02 pm to RollTide1987)
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The South should have thought of that before they seceded then.
No, the North should have thought of that before they forced a war that killed over 600k Americans.
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davesdawgs
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:02 pm to Blue Velvet)
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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals. No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure." – Lysander Spooner
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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:03 pm to Amadeo)
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Amadeo
Read a book, it good for you.
Slavery was the lowest thing humans did to one another on this planet. But States Rights or lack of lead to the WAR. Europeans bring up slavery in the U.S. but in was not abolished much before the U.S.
It was outlawed in 1833 in Britian. And it was not a unanimous move. Mostly Christian driven.
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DNaquin
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:05 pm to accnodefense)
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Revisionist History Myth #2: The civil war was about slavery.
Fact: The civil war was about state's rights and the south seceded because they were worried about the ever growing reach of the federal government.
You are a dumbass. Here is a link to a copy of Alabama's documents of secession. Sure it was about states rights, as in the states rights to remain slaveholders as it was vital to their economy. You can search out other states documents of secession if you really want to educate yourself instead of spouting off rebuttals on subjects you obviously don't know jack shite about. Did it ever occur to you that when every single state to secede was a slave-holding state, then that's a pretty damn good thing to pin down as a motive. Sure there were other minor grievances that helped push the states to secede, but the root cause was the ever growing threat of slavery being ended.
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And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States,
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RollTide1987 
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:05 pm to LSU7096)
They aren't. That's why I argue that the South actually won because they eventually got what they wanted. Yeah, they lost the war itself and lost the opportunity of becoming a separate nation, but look at what happened post-1865. At the end of Reconstruction, a good majority of freed slaves were still working on their former masters' land, blacks were not given the vote and they were still treated as second-class citizens, and the South, at the end of it all, was more or less left to its own devices until the Cold War. Slavery had been abolished but those freed slaves were still treated like them.
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junkfunky
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:05 pm to RollTide1987)
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The South should have thought of that before they seceded then.
I didn't know they were psychic. I need to brush up on my history.
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glaucon
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:06 pm to RollTide1987)
What was the first amendment inn acted after the Civil War again? Yeah, it was totally not about slavery. 
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:08 pm to junkfunky)
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I didn't know they were psychic. I need to brush up on my history.
And there you have it. Hindsight is 20/20. Who cares if slavery would have ended in 40 years time from the outbreak of war? The fact of the matter is, the South saw their institution under threat and took action to protect it.
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Blue Velvet 
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:09 pm to RollTide1987)
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When South Carolina seceded on December 20, 1860, war became inevitable.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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junkfunky
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:10 pm to RollTide1987)
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And there you have it. Hindsight is 20/20.
So make a hypothetical statement, then I and bugAC piggy back it with counters to your hypothetical and you are claiming some kind of "gotcha"? You're funny.
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:11 pm to Blue Velvet)
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:13 pm to junkfunky)
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So make a hypothetical statement, then I and bugAC piggy back it with counters to your hypothetical and you are claiming some kind of "gotcha"? You're funny
What is your counterpoint? What do you think the North should have done when the South started to secede?
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:13 pm to Blue Velvet)
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This is why we can't have nice things.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Patrick O Rly
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y u do dis?
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:14 pm to RollTide1987)
Not go to war.
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Tell me where I'm wrong.
Your thinking that's it's necessary to go to war when states peacefully secede.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:15 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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Not go to war.
How would this have been possible? The fact that the South was seizing federally owned military installations is an act of war itself.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:18 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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Your thinking that's it's necessary to go to war when states peacefully secede.
Seizing federal property and U.S. military installations is not what I would call "peaceful" but okay.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:19 pm to RollTide1987)
And the tariffs to protect northern industry weren't?
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RollTide1987
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:21 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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And the tariffs to protect northern industry weren't?
The Tariff of Abominations was passed in 1828 and was completely off the political landscape by the mid-1830s. I can assure you that the word on everyone's lips in November 1860 was not "tariffs". It was another word that you choose to ignore.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Liberal Revisionist History myths (Posted on 11/20/12 at 12:22 pm to RollTide1987)
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How would this have been possible? The fact that the South was seizing federally owned military installations is an act of war itself.
Not, if the states had a right to secede. Which was arguable at the time.
Why could that issue not have been decided by the Courts?
If the South had not fired on Sumpter, Lincoln could never have raised an Army to conquer the South. And there was no need to maintain the Federal presence in Sumpter, which the north could not do anyway if war broke out.
To claim war was unavoidable is absurd. It may have taken a less radical government not interested in political domination and willing to kill hundreds of thousands. One not willing to trample on the Constitution, resort to total war against civilians or engage in assassinations.
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