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RogerTheShrubber
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The particular successful business owner has learned or knows that by treating his employees fairly, with integrity and respect he will, in all probability, never have "union" problems.


It's been my experience that if you make yourself a valuable employee there is no need for union representation.






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BFIV
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Friend of mine who runs a hotel is frustrated because he can't pay his best employee more based on union rules. The union that represents the workers actually voted against a pay raise this year and he knows he can't keep this employee without paying more.



The union members all voted on the pay raise and the majority vote declined the pay raise??? I wonder if they voted to accept better insurance or something else in lieu of a pay raise? All employees need to factor in the worth of fringe benefits, but way too many workers just look at their wage rate.

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Merit based on productivity is a very good reason to give raises and promotions.


I agree. Absolutely, positively you are right about that. Within a union contract, however, wages are negotiated and agreed upon by both parties. Sometimes the best employee is paid too little and the worst employee is paid too much.






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BFIV
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It's been my experience that if you make yourself a valuable employee there is no need for union representation.



I've seen that sword cut both ways, Roger. That is, I've seen the valuable employee rewarded and compensated fairly and I've seen the valuable employee taken advantage of because the business owner knows that particular employee is the only one who will pull the plow.






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RogerTheShrubber
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The union members all voted on the pay raise and the majority vote declined the pay raise??? I wonder if they voted to accept better insurance or something else in lieu of a pay raise? All employees need to factor in the worth of fringe benefits, but way too many workers just look at their wage rate.


benefits in lieu of a pay raise.






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RogerTheShrubber
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I've seen that sword cut both ways, Roger. That is, I've seen the valuable employee rewarded and compensated fairly and I've seen the valuable employee taken advantage of because the business owner knows that particular employee is the only one who will pull the plow.



Well, I know my world is a small world but I really don't know anyone who feels they were taken advantage of, in real life. I am sure that "taken advantage of" has different meanings to different people. I have always been treated fairly and compensated for my time






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oak71
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Yes, they can, they have, and they still do. Study your history of the labor movement. I wish some of Andrew Carnegie's workers were still alive to tell you about what they endured. I wish you could speak with and listen to some of those coal miners like my grandfather who were working in 36" thick coal seams 12 hours/day, six days/week and being paid with company script instead of legal currency. I wish you could speak with some of those 9 and 12 year old kids who mined coal right beside their fathers and swept the floors and oiled the machines in the textile mills. I could go on and on as to why we enjoy the working conditions and hours we now take for granted. Unions put a stop to these abuses. If you don't like unions, that is your right. But I contend that if you feel that way, then don't accept your overtime pay, don't complain about unsafe working conditions, don't ever request workers comp if you get hurt on the job, and don't be ashamed to hire out your adolescent son or daughter to work in some sweat shop.


You stole my post. So damn true!






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Lsut81
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There's a difference between mediation and arbitration. A significant one


Yeah, I fricked up, its mediation...

The judge ordered them to attempt mediation before he agrees to allow for the liquidation.






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Wolfhound45
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Study your history of the labor movement.


All true. No denying it.

But when were these labor practices in place? How long since this happened?

These are sensational, dramatic examples. What about today?



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udtiger
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frick unions.

Legalized racketeering and extortion.






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Lsut81
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Legalized racketeering and extortion.


Exactly... I'm cool with Unions remaining, but every state should be a right to work state.

If the unions want to make unreal demands, companies should be allowed to fire union workers and hire scrubs.

Its give and take, but all the unions seem to do is take.






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tigeraddict
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Mike Hummell, a receiving clerk and a member of the Bakers' union working in Lenexa, Kan., said he was making about $48,000 in 2005 before the company's first trip through bankruptcy. Concessions during that reorganization cut his pay to $34,000 last year, earning $16.12 an hour. He said the latest contract demands would have cut his pay to about $25,000, with significantly higher out-of-pocket expenses for insurance.


Recieving Clerk in Kansas - $21,000

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those numbers are greater then an 8% cut. But the guy is a receiving clerk in Kansas (Kansas has an average standard of living)

Average salary for a receiving clerk - $23,000

Even if the guys cuts are accurate, he will still be getting above the national average, plus his benefits....



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Tyrusrex
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Recieving Clerk in Kansas - $21,000

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those numbers are greater then an 8% cut. But the guy is a receiving clerk in Kansas (Kansas has an average standard of living)

Average salary for a receiving clerk - $23,000

Even if the guys cuts are accurate, he will still be getting above the national average, plus his benefits....


That maybe true, but you can't compare that to the average worker, but the average bakery worker. You also forget that the worker's benefits were cut, and that their contributions to their pensions were stopped by management and diverted back into the company without their say so. All at a time management had voted themselves huge pay raises. And just ask yourself, could you work at a place for $48k a year, get used to it, and then be asked to adapt to living on $25 a year? At a certain point you've gotta ask yourself, can I find a better job elsewhere.

Yeah, unions can often times be bad, but I think this is one of the cases where we shouldn't go to a kneejerk reaction as this looks like it's a bit more nuanced.






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tigeraddict
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And just ask yourself, could you work at a place for $48k a year, get used to it, and then be asked to adapt to living on $25 a year? At a certain point you've gotta ask yourself, can I find a better job elsewhere.


thats the problem. $48k/ year is more then what a plumber or electrician make around here. $48,000/year as a receiving clerk, no wonder the company cannot make ends meet.







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prplhze2000
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and federal law has fixed alot of that now.





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ironsides
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And just ask yourself, could you work at a place for $48k a year, get used to it, and then be asked to adapt to living on $25 a year? At a certain point you've gotta ask yourself, can I find a better job elsewhere.


That's the frickin point! We don't need unions because good workers will go where they are treated fairly and pay scales will be determined by what the market pays. Unions have screwed the whole thing up to the point where people feel that even in a shitty economy they are entitled to a job when the employer could get someone who actually wants that job. We have a legal system and a minimum wage why do we need a union?






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