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okietiger13 
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:12 pm to baybeefeetz)
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Some intelligence analysts worried, for instance, that identifying the groups could reveal that American spy services were eavesdropping on the militants — a fact most insurgents are already aware of. Justice Department lawyers expressed concern about jeopardizing the F.B.I.’s criminal inquiry in the attacks. Other officials voiced concern that making the names public, at least right away, would create a circular reporting loop and hamper efforts to trail the militants.
Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama. “The general was adamant there was no politicization of the process, no White House interference or political agenda,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California.
I don't understand this line of thinking of how naming the group could reveal our eavesdropping when the group itself sent an email claiming responsibility within hours of the attack
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:14 pm to okietiger13)
I've tried to explain this a number of times. Just because the group tries to take responsibility doesn't make it a fricking good idea to go blabbing about them.
How is that not obvious logic?
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crimsonsaint 
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:16 pm to baybeefeetz)
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because it wasn't "bin laden & co" al qaeda. come on, man.
Oh it's a more loving and tolerant Al-Qaeda now. Good to know.
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fricking cops do this all the time, right?
frick no. If someone publicly claims that they murdered someone you think cops will claim that that person is not a suspect?
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:18 pm to crimsonsaint)
not a more loving and tolerant al qaeda. I'm saying this was some smaller group affiliated with the larger al qaeda that we know.
I stand by this: letting on that you know somebody has claimed responsibility can have negative consequences for actually catching and killing them.
that is why it can make sense to just act publicly like you didn't read their tweet.
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okietiger13
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:21 pm to baybeefeetz)
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I've tried to explain this a number of times. Just because the group tries to take responsibility doesn't make it a fricking good idea to go blabbing about them.
Acknowledging that a known terrorist organization with ties to another terrorist organization who had attacked us 11 years to the day earlier isn't "blabbing" about them. I'm not saying that they had to publicize that they had taken credit already, just don't LIE to the American people.
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How is that not obvious logic?
Because it's failed logic?
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:23 pm to okietiger13)
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'm not saying that they had to publicize that they had taken credit already,
Why not, if what is said is
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failed logic?
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L.A.
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:28 pm to pcowhe87098)
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The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi
Good Lord.
The CIA answers to the White House and Congress, not the other way around.
The CIA does not dictate American policy.
ETA: Right on cue the NY Times starts covering for Obama. As an American I am embarrassed by our media.
This post was edited on 11/16 at 9:36 pm
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:31 pm to L.A.)
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The CIA answers to the White House and Congress, no the other way around.
The CIA does not dictate American policy.
I think you're better than this. He said the CIA "asked." CIA: we know intelligence adn investigation, and we think it would be a good idea if you, a community organizer, would stfu and not say x, y, and z. Please don't. Community Organizer: Okay.
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okietiger13
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:32 pm to baybeefeetz)
My contention is that the administration tried (and came very close to succeeding in) making the American people (including personally to the deceased's families) that this was a bunch of angry protesters of an internet movie. We now know they knew very early on from our intelligence and from the groups own admission that was not true. I want to know why the lies were necessary? That article stated that we didn't want to jeopardize our eavesdropping yet we waited 3 weeks to get the FBI on the ground. Where is the logic in that?
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crimsonsaint
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:34 pm to baybeefeetz)
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I stand by this: letting on that you know somebody has claimed responsibility can have negative consequences for actually catching and killing them.
Letting on that a US ambassador was murdered after his requests for additional security were denied multiple times has negative consequences.
Since when is Obama looking to catch ppl? He's all about drone strikes.
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okietiger13
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:34 pm to okietiger13)
Calling it a terrorist act from the beginning doesn't mean they would've had to divulge who the party responsible was.
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okietiger13
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:35 pm to crimsonsaint)
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I stand by this: letting on that you know somebody has claimed responsibility can have negative consequences for actually catching and killing them.
So can waiting 3 weeks to send in the FBI to process the murder scene.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:35 pm to crimsonsaint)
we are talking about what the CIA asked the pols to do. they are the ones ostensibly worried about catching people.
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:38 pm to okietiger13)
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Acknowledging that a known terrorist organization with ties to another terrorist organization who had attacked us 11 years to the day earlier isn't "blabbing" about them. I'm not saying that they had to publicize that they had taken credit already, just don't LIE to the American people.
It may have been more about identifying the local militia group than Al Qaeda. In any case, it is ok to be skeptical because not everything has been revealed yet, but it does explain all of the awkward silence in the week after the attacks. It never made any sense for the administration to try to cover up anything since a handful of Al Qaeda remnants teaming up with a local militia wouldn't be a shocking revelation.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:39 pm to mmcgrath)
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It may have been more about identifying the local militia group than Al Qaeda.
exactly what the frick I said, and this dumb mfer on here is talking about a more "loving" al qaeda or some shite.
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:40 pm to baybeefeetz)
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baybeefeetz
You are spinning like a top. The election is over. You can dial it down a notch.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:40 pm to Wild Thang)
wtf are you talking about?
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okietiger13
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:41 pm to mmcgrath)
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It may have been more about identifying the local militia group than Al Qaeda
Tell me where I said that Al Qaeda carried this out.
The group was well known. The Ambassador had referenced them in his request for additional security leading up to his death. Also, THEY CLAIMED responsibility.
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baybeefeetz
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:44 pm to okietiger13)
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he Ambassador had referenced them in his request for additional security leading up to his death
This is teh part that everybody SHOULD be focusing on, but they are too stupid. Whether the gov't said it was a terrorist attack by al qaeda or not, none of that would change the fact that they asked for more security and didn't get it.
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| re: The CIA asked the White House and Congress to not refer to Benghazi (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:54 pm to baybeefeetz)
You really are sucked in by the Obama aren't you. I believe you are worried about all this and are trying so hard to believe the White House is ok on this shite sandwich.
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