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LSUgusto 
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:03 pm to Decatur)
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But that's what the intel pointed to, right?
"Some" intel pointed at that possibility. The overwhelming intel was pretty clear early on that this was no video protest. So, the question is, why was a slim likelihood seized upon as the main talking point?
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wavebreaker
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:04 pm to thetigerman)
Just come out and tell the damn truth. The administration has lied and hidden the truth from day one.
Obama said he ordered everything that can be done but nothing was done. Why not?
Why weren't increased security measured put into place after the bombing outside the gate?
What was the CIA doing there? Stevens?
Obama was in CYA mode for the election. Election over. Man up and tell the damn truth to the American people and families of re victims.
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intel
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:06 pm to L.A.)
The intel might have been wrong on Iraq, but Bush and Powell weren't lying, because every nation in the world that had an intelligence agency said the same thing. Throw in that after Saddam's capture he said he was purposely trying to make the world think he had and was developing WMD's. Add to that, that several of Saddam's scientists said that they took WMD materials home to keep them away from the eyes of the UN Weapon's Inspectors. Throw in that Britains intel agency rechecked and stood by their claim that Saddam was seeking yellow cake in Niger.
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tigerfoot 
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:06 pm to boxcar willie)
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have overestimated the degree to which a video may or may not have help feul the attacks even though the people all over the middle east were tweeting loudly how offended they were by this video at that time.
The fact that the President of the US was searching for a reason that it was actually a rationale for the attacks is appalling. It equates to him telling a rape victim that their short skirt caused the rape.
In his attempt to pacify a region and blame the making of the video is just weak. He wanted to come off as understanding of the murderers of Americans.
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Decatur
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:08 pm to LSUgusto)
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"Some" intel pointed at that possibility. The overwhelming intel was pretty clear early on that this was no video protest.
About 20 different intel reports citing the Innocence of Muslims video
Again, are you conflating the erroneous report of a protest preceding the attack with corroborated reports that the video and its associated protests elsewhere that day were a catalyst for the attack? Because you can have an attack inspired by the video & other protests without having an actual protest outside the Benghazi consulate before the attack.
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intel
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:08 pm to wavebreaker)
Also Britian had resources in Benghazi and they have wondered why they weren't asked for help.
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nobodytooimportant
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:11 pm to wavebreaker)
What was the CIA doing there? Stevens?
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The CIA doesn't tend to tell people what they are doing, it is what we call classified.
As for Steven's he was in Benghazi to open an American Corner. LINK
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baybeefeetz
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:13 pm to Decatur)
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Because you can have an attack inspired by the video & other protests without having an actual protest outside the Benghazi consulate before the attack.
Been paying attention to this from day one, and the initial report was that the CIA believed, based on intercepts, that the attack was inspired by the protests, as in "opportunistically."
And before anybody goes there, there can be forethought and an opportunistic attack.
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Tiger Authority
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:15 pm to nobodytooimportant)
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The CIA doesn't tend to tell people what they are doing, it is what we call classified.
Hence the problem. What are you missing here?
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thetigerman
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:15 pm to boxcar willie)
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yet he is being attacked by the GOP because he didn't provide enough security at the embassy as if he is involved at that level of security decisions and he is being attacked by the GOP because he didn't use the phrase terrorist attack enough and/or may have overestimated the degree to which a video may or may not have help feul the attacks even though the people all over the middle east were tweeting loudly how offended they were by this video at that time. WTF
Exactly why they are a dying party. Out of touch, out-dated, WRONG, and dying. And they can't even fricking see it happening because they can't see through the walls of their bubble.
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intel
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:17 pm to thetigerman)
LOL, the public didn't buy the "BS", because the dem media sat on the story. The only thing they finally did, was come out a few days before the election and say: 'Benghazi, Nothing Here', in order to get it past the election.
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nobodytooimportant
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:17 pm to intel)
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Also Britian had resources in Benghazi and they have wondered why they weren't asked for help.
Do you have any link for that. This is the first I have heard of it, and I rather doubt it as the British closed their consulate in Benghazi at the end of June.
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LSUgusto
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:18 pm to Decatur)
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are you conflating the erroneous report of a protest preceding the attack with corroborated reports that the video and its associated protests elsewhere that day were a catalyst for the attack?
No.
Are you forgiving the administration's mischaracterization of the event as a violent protest because some members of the organized attack drew inspiration from protests earlier that day? Because, you can have terrorists inspired by a video among jihadi militias antagonizing the country. I, frankly, don't give a frick what inspired them. They were out to kill Americans, and our administration made it sound like some crazy dude in California was at fault.
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intel
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:19 pm to thetigerman)
Awww, you were saying that in 2008, and then comes 2010 and the dems got their asses handed to them clear down to dogcatcher. Don't get stuck on stupid.
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thetigerman
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:19 pm to intel)
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LOL, the public didn't buy the "BS", because the dem media sat on the story.
There ya go, its the media's fault! 
Tell me, is there oxygen in that bubble of yours?
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Tiger Authority
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:21 pm to thetigerman)
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There ya go, its the media's fault!
Tell me, is there oxygen in that bubble of yours?
what do you think happened that day and why do you think the reports were so conflated?
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City
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:22 pm to boxcar willie)
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yet he is being attacked by the GOP because he didn't provide enough security at the embassy as if he is involved at that level of security decisions
Look, he said it himself that the buck stops with him. He wants every bit of credit for the Bin Laden raid (which they were watching in real-time just like Benghazi), but we shouldn't be pointing fingers? He wants to be seen as the one who makes critical decisions regarding our personnel overseas? Then he needs to man the frick up and not send Susan Rice out to spread convenient lies a week later. He was busy. He has time now, however, to defend Rice. Aw, she didn't know any better. She's just a woman....
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and he is being attacked by the GOP because he didn't use the phrase terrorist attack enough
No. If he was watching the same footage in real-time that the folks attending the closed door hearing watched today, then he seems to have lied and/or sent his people out to the media with a false narrative. If they didn't have enough information, that's what should have been said. It doesn't seem that they were lacking clarity on what actually happened. The surveillance footage has been available all along.
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intel
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:25 pm to nobodytooimportant)
RE: British wonder why they weren't asked for help in Benghazi:
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nobodytooimportant
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:33 pm to intel)
I don't buy it. That article was published on Nov 3 and other than breitbart hyping the next day I don't see any follow up even from foxnews (it could be out there I only searched for a minute or two). Plus if your embassy is under attack, you wouldn't call people from other countries outposts if for no other reason then they aren't familiar with your compound or your people. It seems to me that is asking for friendlies to shoot each other.
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thetigerman
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| re: Petraeus knew "almost immediately" (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:34 pm to Tiger Authority)
For all we know this is completely innocuous. Hell, shite happens. The Fog of War and all that jazz. Stevens knew the risks that came with the job, and he's certainly not the first to die in service. If this country learned anything after 9/11 it should be that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. But all I'm hearing is (R) rhetoric telling me that they haven't leaned a goddamn thing. Instead they double down on ass-hattery.
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