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Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:25 am to cast away
i have owned both of those and the 2022 is a little bit better suited for concealed carry, but the Glock 19 is a better firearm.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:25 am to ArkBengal
agreed. IDK who said the frame was metal, But he must not know anything about this sig pro series.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:26 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:explain this claim....
but the Glock 19 is a better firearm.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:35 am to CarRamrod
Besides the fact that the Glock 19 is a legend, I don't clean my pistols very often (I stress test all of them) and my glock has never jammed while the Sig has using the same ammo.
The Sig a little bit better shooter and has better ergonomics, so it really depends on how you weight it. reliability is number one for me
The Sig a little bit better shooter and has better ergonomics, so it really depends on how you weight it. reliability is number one for me
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:45 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:hard to believe. but to each his own....
my glock has never jammed
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:52 am to Choirboy
quote:
I have several Glocks and one Sig.
The Sig clipazines are as high as giraffe arse.
Same here and I agree. Get the Glock. My Sig is a safe queen.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:55 am to 20MuleTeam
quote:
Glocks jam all the time get the sig
BS. I own four different model Glocks and never even once has one of them jammed on me.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 11:58 am to CarRamrod
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agreed. IDK who said the frame was metal, But he must not know anything about this sig pro series.
I'll eat my words... it was me. I assumed most Sigs were. Then again, I don't really care too much for German handguns. They're almost all overpriced for what you get. Well, except the Walther PPQ which is a fantastic handgun for the price.
The Glock "safe action" trigger is the biggest crock of shite on the planet. Calling the trigger a "safety" is like calling my gas pedal a break pedal in my car. If I don't push it, it's a brake pedal since it slows down the car, so it should be called a "safe-action" accelerator. Following this logic, you can agree... "What a load of horseshite."
While it's a neat idea and potentially practical in certain situations, I think the misnomer of "safe-action" is ridiculous.
I think Kahr triggers blow Glock triggers out of the water. The smooth, stainless steel, rigid, no-notch trigger is much easier on my hand. I'll give it to Glock that the pull is shorter and the reset is shorter, but God I hate the feel of that trigger.
Did I mention I hate Glocks? Oh, I guess I already did.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:02 pm to cast away
Sig
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:19 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
hard to believe.
Ok. I've had multiple 17s, a 19 and a couple 26s and the only one to ever ftf was one of the 26s.
I don't love the feel of glocks, but as a prepper, reliability and being relatively low maintenance are the most imortant things.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:27 pm to cast away
I have a 2022...put about 1200rds through it.
Never had a problem one.
No safety, just a decocking button, smoother shooting gun.
Never had a problem one.
No safety, just a decocking button, smoother shooting gun.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:37 pm to cast away
quote:
The input in this thread kind of solidified that choice.
It shouldn't.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:45 pm to cast away
Castaway,
Your choice basically comes down to answering two questions:
1. What type of action do I prefer?
2. Which gun can I shoot the best?
The Glock has a striker fired action that everyone's familiar w/ and has no external safety levers. The Sig is SA/DA, although the link you referenced says it can be "converted" to DAO; it's not clear to me whether that's a factory conversion or something the shooter does by configuring the controls. Either way, it sounds more complicated than a straight striker fired action. The Sig also has a decocker lever.
Glocks don't feel good to my hand, but shoot ok. I've not recently handled a Sig. The question for YOU is which do YOU handle best?
Neither are small guns. Both have double stack mags that make the grip/frame wider. Since the gun is for concealed carry purposes, I'd be sure you like the feel of carrying a wide, double stack gun before buying one for that purpose. My first cc gun was a double stack mag gun, the Springfield XD in 40 S&W. I didn't carry it long before realizing that a single wide mag gun that has a more narrow grip suited me much more. I now carry single stack mag guns like the Kel-Tec PF9, Kahr CW45 and 1911's. Only you can know which best suits you.
Your choice basically comes down to answering two questions:
1. What type of action do I prefer?
2. Which gun can I shoot the best?
The Glock has a striker fired action that everyone's familiar w/ and has no external safety levers. The Sig is SA/DA, although the link you referenced says it can be "converted" to DAO; it's not clear to me whether that's a factory conversion or something the shooter does by configuring the controls. Either way, it sounds more complicated than a straight striker fired action. The Sig also has a decocker lever.
Glocks don't feel good to my hand, but shoot ok. I've not recently handled a Sig. The question for YOU is which do YOU handle best?
Neither are small guns. Both have double stack mags that make the grip/frame wider. Since the gun is for concealed carry purposes, I'd be sure you like the feel of carrying a wide, double stack gun before buying one for that purpose. My first cc gun was a double stack mag gun, the Springfield XD in 40 S&W. I didn't carry it long before realizing that a single wide mag gun that has a more narrow grip suited me much more. I now carry single stack mag guns like the Kel-Tec PF9, Kahr CW45 and 1911's. Only you can know which best suits you.
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:52 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:IMO fullsize guns shouldnt be used for CC.
Since the gun is for concealed carry purposes
Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:56 pm to bapple
Way late on the response. Already covered. Carry on.
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/14/12 at 2:24 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
The original (older) SIGS were considered to be as reliable as the Glocks (Glock is the gold standard for reliability).
The newer SIGS are not considered to be as reliable as the older ones. Sorry, just not.
The bigger difference is the trigger. The SIGS are gonna be DA/SA, which is OK, but it means you'll need to (certainly should) master two distinct trigger pulls.
The Glock will have the same trigger pull for every shot. and despite the folks who seem to dislike the Glock trigger (some of whom favor the Kahrs, or Kel-Tec triggers of all things), seem to miss, or not understand the concept of trigger re-set. (Which is why the M&P Shield is apparently getting some really good reviews from some highly experienced trainers-- it has a re-set trigger).
With the Glock, after you fire a round, you can (if you wish and/or have been trained) can release the trigger just enough to re-set it. This facilitates rapid fire (I'm not fast, but 6-7 aimed shots per second is readily achievable for me, depending on the distance). You don;t have to use the re-set technique, but it's a skill taught at most of the "big name" handgun training academies (including Thunder Ranch).
I carry the Kahr PM9 and/or the K9 as a BUG -- have for years. Smooth trigger? Yep. Good trigger for a self-defense weapon? Nope, not compared to the Glock, or to the SIG DAK trigger --- which is the point of all this trigger stuff.
If for some reason you feel compelled to go with the SIG (again, it's not a bad choice at all), be sure and pay extra for the DAK trigger. Then you won't have the DA/SA crap to contend with. It will be DAO, like the Glocks (and the H-K LEM), which is why 90% of the LE agencies that issue or approve SIGs specify that they have the DAK trigger. It's hard to find a major LE agency that still allows the DA/SA trigger -- too many ineffective/poor shooting results.
Glocks have a consistent trigger pull, as do the SIGs (with the DAK trigger), and the H-K's (with the LEM trigger), and the 1911's and the Kahrs and the M&P's and the XD's. This is important.
The newer SIGS are not considered to be as reliable as the older ones. Sorry, just not.
The bigger difference is the trigger. The SIGS are gonna be DA/SA, which is OK, but it means you'll need to (certainly should) master two distinct trigger pulls.
The Glock will have the same trigger pull for every shot. and despite the folks who seem to dislike the Glock trigger (some of whom favor the Kahrs, or Kel-Tec triggers of all things), seem to miss, or not understand the concept of trigger re-set. (Which is why the M&P Shield is apparently getting some really good reviews from some highly experienced trainers-- it has a re-set trigger).
With the Glock, after you fire a round, you can (if you wish and/or have been trained) can release the trigger just enough to re-set it. This facilitates rapid fire (I'm not fast, but 6-7 aimed shots per second is readily achievable for me, depending on the distance). You don;t have to use the re-set technique, but it's a skill taught at most of the "big name" handgun training academies (including Thunder Ranch).
I carry the Kahr PM9 and/or the K9 as a BUG -- have for years. Smooth trigger? Yep. Good trigger for a self-defense weapon? Nope, not compared to the Glock, or to the SIG DAK trigger --- which is the point of all this trigger stuff.
If for some reason you feel compelled to go with the SIG (again, it's not a bad choice at all), be sure and pay extra for the DAK trigger. Then you won't have the DA/SA crap to contend with. It will be DAO, like the Glocks (and the H-K LEM), which is why 90% of the LE agencies that issue or approve SIGs specify that they have the DAK trigger. It's hard to find a major LE agency that still allows the DA/SA trigger -- too many ineffective/poor shooting results.
Glocks have a consistent trigger pull, as do the SIGs (with the DAK trigger), and the H-K's (with the LEM trigger), and the 1911's and the Kahrs and the M&P's and the XD's. This is important.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/14/12 at 2:32 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:
Glocks don't feel good to my hand, but shoot ok. I've not recently handled a Sig. The question for YOU is which do YOU handle best?
I'm definitely going to shoot both before i plunk the money down on one. I saw someone mentioned the M&P Shield, which i would like to check out too.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:37 pm to cast away
I also have a Shield I bought for the wife. Very nice gun and accurate for a 3" barrel. Hard to find tho, but would make a better carry gun due to smaller size vs Sig or Glock.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:00 pm to ArkBengal
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but would make a better carry gun due to smaller size vs Sig or Glock.
As long as you're happy with a gun that's harder to control and holds less ammo.
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