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CollegeFBRules
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No


Man, I do hope you stick around for a time. We've got some work to do on you around here.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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There's an excuse for murder?


Yea, self defense.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Would you be okay with legalizing all drugs?


No.


Used to be against it myself, now I think it causes more problems for them to be illegal than it would legal.






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MrTide33
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Man, I do hope you stick around for a time


I will be around, keeping up the fight. Quite frankly, all other issues take a backseat to abortion. The only reason I care about drugs being legalized is the fact that it can cause damage to others.






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MrTide33
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I think I mis-stated earlier, murder is the killing of an innocent human being. So self-defense would not be murder





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Scruffy
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Well touching on that one aspect of the book, the society is built upon individuals "grown" within artificial wombs. There are different sets which are affected at the developmental level to create different "castes."

Alcohol is added to the solution to generate less intelligent workers for the menial tasks, while those destined for the more intelligent positions are nurtured chemically to be stronger, smarter, etc. The castes Alphas, Betas, Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons.

That is about as basic as I could put it. It really is a very good book. Its one of my favorites.

Now, as I said, someone would be crazy to believe that humanity would do such a thing. It is just a book. Humans are much more likely to simply be genetically modified in the future. Who knows?

Its important to always think of every possible way that a certain technological advancement can be used. Nobel invented dynamite without the intention to use it for nefarious purposes. Humans always find a way to use things in ways they weren't intended.



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MrTide33
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Used to be against it myself, now I think it causes more problems for them to be illegal than it would legal.


Im going to get completely disrespected from now on for what Im about to say, but I dont think so. A lot of people point to prohibition as idiotic and causing more problems, but there were actually drastic decreases in violence and cyrhossis of the liver, so it may not have been a bad idea either






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crimsonsaint
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Is Abortion Murder?


Idk but I couldn't live with myself knowing that I took a child's life.






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MrTide33
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Humans always find a way to use things in ways they weren't intended.


Agreed






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CollegeFBRules
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I will be around, keeping up the fight. Quite frankly, all other issues take a backseat to abortion. The only reason I care about drugs being legalized is the fact that it can cause damage to others.


The physical tolls of drugs on the people consuming them is nothing compared to the damage the drug trade does to those communities where peddling those narcotics is the main economic activity. Freakonomics makes a case for the reduced crime rate as a result of abortion. There is also a good argument that a large percentage of the unaborted, should abortion be made illegal, would wind up in this trade.

There are a host of issues associated with your OP, all of the, cultural.






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MrTide33
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Freakonomics makes a case for the reduced crime rate as a result of abortion.


Of course, not counting the murder of the innocent children that would have supposedly been criminals. Freakonomics is letting children die for what they would be assumed to do






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CollegeFBRules
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but there were actually drastic decreases in violence


A respectfully as I can possibly say it, you're about as wrong as you could possibly be here.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Im going to get completely disrespected from now on for what Im about to say, but I dont think so. A lot of people point to prohibition as idiotic and causing more problems, but there were actually drastic decreases in violence and cyrhossis of the liver, so it may not have been a bad idea either


Depends on what you value. As I have gotten older, I value freedom more than I value perceived security, or protecting people from themselves.

I also believe the underground economy causes way more trouble than allowing people to use would ever cause.



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MrTide33
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you're about as wrong as you could possibly be here.


I will say that I haven't done personal research on it as of yet, but I got this information from a credible source. A history professor who was an alcoholic and addict, and later became an alcoholic counselor before becoming a professor at a secular university.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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Brain Activity would be the cutoff.

The reasoning is that without brain activity you aren't much more than a vegetable.


That's a bingo!

Did you know that in many states your organs can be harvested while you are still breathing if you are an organ donor? Reason: brain death. Once the MD declares you brain dead, the organ crew can come in and get to hacking.


The root of the organ harvesting debate and the abortion debate goes to what makes us a living being. Is it just physiological response or does life require something more?






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MrTide33
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I value freedom more than I value perceived security, or protecting people from themselves.


As do I. The decreased violence against others is more of the reason it may have been a good thing.






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Scruffy
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The decreased violence against others is more of the reason it may have been a good thing.
But the current illegality of most drugs has resulted in increased violence.






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RogerTheShrubber
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As do I. The decreased violence against others is more of the reason it may have been a good thing.


I believe violence comes from prohibition, not the other way around.

Using has a downside, but so does the black market. right now you have the worst of both worlds.






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Wild Thang
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Used to be against it myself, now I think it causes more problems for them to be illegal than it would legal.



Explain that stance for me please. I smoke weed regularly, will have a pain pill every now and then as well.

Have done a few others when I was young as well.

No heroine, Meth, or Crack though. In no way should those 3 be legal.






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MrTide33
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But the current illegality of most drugs has resulted in increased violence.


Once drugs are legal we will see what happens with the violence meter. I'm just not so sure it would go down I understand your points though. I'm going to do my own research though shortly. Further debate probably wont move me right now. I like to do my own research before really debating something






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