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Bloodworth
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I guess our friend from Arizona is thinking about my last question...I'm curious for the response about my swimmers.





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BeeFense5
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Kenna
Member since Jul 2010
17012 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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My DNA is not my body? Didnt part of me swim up to fertilize the egg at conception?


Asurob views innocent developing babies as parasites to a woman. I feel sorry that he thought that way of his daughters that he says he has. Dad of the year.






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Bloodworth
New Orleans Saints Fan
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
1697 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Asurob views innocent developing babies as parasites to a woman. I feel sorry that he thought that way of his daughters that he says he has. Dad of the year.


Amen brother

Mr Tide is helping to remind me not to be judgmental no matter the situation... God Bless.






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Ace Midnight
LSU Fan
Ball, LA - Home, Sweet Home
Member since Dec 2006
28955 posts

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Mr Tide is helping to remind me not to be judgmental no matter the situation... God Bless.


I allow G-d the privilege of final judgment.

I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. Amos 9:1

I don't want to get in the way of that, or incur that myself due to error.






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asurob1
Florida State Fan
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
10761 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Horrible excuse.

And your crying about "imposing your beliefs on others" is the biggest load of hypocritical bull shite. You want to impose your beliefs and want others to be indoctrinated and accepting of your death culture that you love.

It's sick to treat the innocent unborn the way that you view things.



your usual rhetoric.

letting the woman choose what she does with her body is hardly imposing beliefs on anyone....but stick with your view...it will serve you so well.






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asurob1
Florida State Fan
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Member since May 2009
10761 posts

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I allow G-d the privilege of final judgment.

I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. Amos 9:1

I don't want to get in the way of that, or incur that myself due to error.


you guys are going to be in for such a surprise when you assume room temperature.






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asurob1
Florida State Fan
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Member since May 2009
10761 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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My DNA is not my body? Didnt part of me swim up to fertilize the egg at conception?


missed this sorry.

are you carrying said fertilized egg around for nine months?

You just answered your question.






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Ace Midnight
LSU Fan
Ball, LA - Home, Sweet Home
Member since Dec 2006
28955 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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you guys are going to be in for such a surprise when you assume room temperature.


Well, some people are. Maybe it is us.






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Tigerbait46
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2005
7558 posts

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Abortion is the greatest assault on liberty that has ever been implemented. There are simple, non-religious questions to ask yourself to see if abortion is wrong:

1. At conception, is the new organism living? Yes, the new cells are performing their processes autonomously and are alive.

2. Is the organism human? Yes. The new organism is classified as human.

3. Is the fetus a genetically unique human being? Yes. Since the conception is the genetic combination of two people, the genes are unique to that one fetus.

4. Is the fetus classified as the woman's body or does it have its own body? As described in point #3, the fetus is genetically unique and performing life-sustaining cell functions autonomously. Since it is genetically different than the mother, it is dishonest to describe the fetus as the woman's body.

5. Do we truly believe the drafters of the Declaration of Independence when they wrote, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?" Yes. Humans in the United States have a Constitutionally protected right to life.

The baby is living, human, genetically unique, and genetically separate from the woman's body. The baby should be given every right to live, no matter the circumstances surrounding its conception. It's a sad state that it has to be spelled out like this.


I just can't understand how anyone can read this and still support abortion






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JEAUXBLEAUX
LSU Fan
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
44545 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


I believe the total opposite. I can't that any person has the right to tell woman that she cannot have an abortion. It is not my place nor yours to be involved here (unless you are the father because I can't be any more). God, when all the hypocrites say they want less government interference, why do they then interfere?





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Ace Midnight
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Ball, LA - Home, Sweet Home
Member since Dec 2006
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God, when all the hypocrites say they want less government interference, why do they then interfere?


I want less gov't interference. I don't want the gov't to pay for abortions. Who is hypocritical now?



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MrTide33
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Member since Nov 2012
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I can't that any person has the right to tell woman that she cannot have an abortion. It is not my place nor yours to be involved here
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God, when all the hypocrites say they want less government interference, why do they then interfere?


This is not applicable to a situation of killing innocent human life. The government's job is to protect people from injustice, being unrightly killed is one of those. Those who want less government interference want the government to stop interfering with the economy and such. Not stopping the protection of its citizens






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
44545 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


I agree that you can disagree about gov paying for abortions. But you and I have no right to tell Susie X she can't decide for herself.





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Ace Midnight
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Ball, LA - Home, Sweet Home
Member since Dec 2006
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But you and I have no right to tell Susie X she can't decide for herself.


Except at that magical moment the child becomes a child to you all on the other side. I ask again: Is it birth? Is it some arbitrary time before that? Is a 42nd trimester abortion okay? (It is her body, right? Why should someone be forced to care for a child for 18 - heck nowadays 26 - years?)







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JEAUXBLEAUX
LSU Fan
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
44545 posts

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all good questions with no definitive answers

all very personal






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asurob1
Florida State Fan
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Member since May 2009
10761 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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(It is her body, right?


Well at least we are making progress.







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Keltic Tiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
4212 posts

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Tigerbait, just read what happened to my sister, and her story is only one of who knows how many out there, as most rape counselors readily acknowledge that a vast majority of rapes never get reported. So it follows that the number of rape based pregnancies are affected by these same percentages. You take your 7 little comments, sit down with any rape victim who became pregnant as a result, and ask her to accept your/those views in such a black/white manner. Better yet, don't just ask her to accept them, but take a few more minutes and call her a murderer if she dares feel/act otherwise. Then tell her that you are sorry for what happened to her, that is exactly what rape victims need, someone feeling sorry for them.But make sure you emphasize, to her face, that she is wrong, with no exception/s, to have an abortion. I promise you, you don't have the guts to have that conversation. The kicker is, family members are there, day & nite, day & nite, to aid & comfort them. That's our world.





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Ace Midnight
LSU Fan
Ball, LA - Home, Sweet Home
Member since Dec 2006
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all good questions with no definitive answers

all very personal


All right (I got the usual no answer I expected) - I respect you for acknowledging the issue is at least somewhat complicated. It is very complicated. I concede that. It is very personal.

However, let's play "What if?" - What if the child's life does actually begin at conception, or say, within an hour or two, just to keep it a little ambiguous, and that can be proven (right now, it's as much of a philosophical one for you guys - biology doesn't seem to matter) - so, then is the right to an abortion still sacrosanct to you?

Is it her right to abort then at any time, up to, and including birth?

What if it is at viability? Okay. So, are you guys still okay with any abortion after viability?

Since viability is a mushy concept, what if they develop technology to incubate a child at around 12 weeks of gestation? Will you force the woman to have the child removed and gestated as the ward of the state? Or give the father (presumabably they're not married) the option to raise the child after it comes to term in this hypothetical incubator?

Or will you still allow the woman to order the chid's execution up to the moment of live birth? Is there a line? Do any of you have the courage to either draw the line (somewhere - anywhere), or say there is no line? I can respect either answer. The "no answer" crowd - ya'll just baffle me.

We believe that life begins at conception. We want to protect the most defenseless members of our society. Many of ya'll refuse to respect that. I respect the choice issues, particularly when the woman becomes pregnant through a rape or failed birth control situation, but that doesn't change the fact that we believe that life begins at conception and the child hasn't done a damned thing to deserve being cut into tiny pieces, vacuumed up and thrown in the garbage.

I would really like ANY of the pro-choice people to give an answer as to why that's okay, how long it's okay or that it is never NOT okay?






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asurob1
Florida State Fan
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
10761 posts

re: Is Abortion Murder?


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However, let's play "What if?" - What if the child's life does actually begin at conception, or say, within an hour or two, just to keep it a little ambiguous, and that can be proven (right now, it's as much of a philosophical one for you guys - biology doesn't seem to matter) - so, then is the right to an abortion still sacrosanct to you?


word games.

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Is it her right to abort then at any time, up to, and including birth?


word games. The law has limited this for a reason. I have my personal belief what the limit should be. It would shock most of you to know what it is.

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What if it is at viability? Okay. So, are you guys still okay with any abortion after viability?


Again I have my own personal beliefs here. But since I'm not in the position to actually have an abortion it really doesnt matter what I think. Not my body.

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Or will you still allow the woman to order the chid's execution up to the moment of live birth?


such a well written question...certainly no bias there.

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Is there a line? Do any of you have the courage to either draw the line (somewhere - anywhere), or say there is no line


Again I have my own beliefs where the line falls, but that and a dollar wont get me coffee.

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We believe that life begins at conception. We want to protect the most defenseless members of our society. Many of ya'll refuse to respect that. I respect the choice issues, particularly when the woman becomes pregnant through a rape or failed birth control situation, but that doesn't change the fact that we believe that life begins at conception and the child hasn't done a damned thing to deserve being cut into tiny pieces, vacuumed up and thrown in the garbage.


And they think I make emotional arguments.






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Keltic Tiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
4212 posts

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The OP's initial thread was the question "Is abortion murder?". The vast majority of pro lifers agree that it is. That attitude is what drew my ire. I could care less what a pro lifer's views on abortion are; that is their belief & they are fully 100% entitled to them. I just strongly objected to having my sister, and thru her, untold numbers of other victims, defined in such a way.I am simply representing her views, obviously unbeknowngst to her, as I know them to be. I have received apologies & offers of prayers & comfort on her behalf from many of the more hardcore pro lifers here, & have taken those I perceive to be sincere in that light & have appreciated same. However: I still get final comments such as the following: "but I still hold her responsible for that child's death". My sister has never taken her story & the "moral" behind it & tried to make any hay with it to anyone. She simply lives her life as best as she can now. Stop calling her & all the others names & just go live your own lives.





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