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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:12 pm to benhamin5555)
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benhamin5555
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:22 pm to crimsonsaint)
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I don't consider liberals socialists but rather statists. They want a big arse government to take in a bunch of money and provide welfare and healthcare for the "needy". They think a few should provide for all and they think an incompetent government knows best on how to collect money and distribute it.
When did I say I supported any of that? I'm so tired of this stupid cliche that all liberals believe in wealth distribution/ communism/ whatever. Even left-wingers like Rex and DA have never advocated it.
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Roaad
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:23 pm to benhamin5555)
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I'm so tired of this stupid cliche that all liberals believe in wealth distribution
Which ones do not?
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benhamin5555
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:27 pm to Roaad)
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Which ones do not?
I don't, nor does any liberal I know.
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dunkelman
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:28 pm to benhamin5555)
Because they are liberal in spending other people's money.
YouTube Milton Friedman on this very topic.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:29 pm to benhamin5555)
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Even left-wingers like Rex and DA have never advocated it.
I'm thinking you are very very confused in your ideology.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:30 pm to benhamin5555)
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I don't, nor does any liberal I know.
Then you aren't a liberal.
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tdt
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
taxes are all wealth distribution so just because one party wants earned income on over 250k to be 3% higher than the other party doesnt exactly mean we are dealing with some epic fight between communism and capitalism here
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Roaad
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:35 pm to benhamin5555)
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I don't, nor does any liberal I know.
Progressive tax rates + Great Society programs + Obamacare= wealth redistribution.
Which of those do you not support? Is it the programs, or the extremely accurate label applied to your ideology?
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:36 pm to tdt)
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taxes are all wealth distribution so just because one party wants earned income on over 250k to be 3% higher than the other party doesnt exactly mean we are dealing with some epic fight between communism and capitalism here
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No one saying that. Keep your head in reality
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dominustd
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:37 pm to benhamin5555)
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I don't, nor does any liberal I know.
I jumped in this thread, so you believe taxes should be raised on the rich or everybody, or nobody?
You like Obamacare?
You like bailouts?
Pro union?
Edit: A poliboard Q&A thread? Weird? Oh well.
This post was edited on 11/13 at 9:38 pm
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:39 pm to dominustd)
You can be tolerant of unions (to a degree) and be conservative. It's the legislation favoring unions and the crony relationship they have with some politicians, as well as the seedy element that I have issues with.
Alaska is one of the most Republican states, it's also the highest unionized.
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dominustd
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
I know "conservatives" who vote liberal due to union oath down here.
I consider that guy liberal.
Maybe the unions in Alaska are not bought off by the libs thus can vote as they please. I don't know, you tell me.
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crimsonsaint 
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:50 pm to benhamin5555)
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When did I say I supported any of that? I'm so tired of this stupid cliche that all liberals believe in wealth distribution/ communism/ whatever.
What do you believe in? You want to cut taxes and government spending? You want welfare recipients to actually have to look for work?
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Even left-wingers like Rex and DA have never advocated it.
Rex wanted Obama to kick BP out of the gulf and let the US government stop the oil leak. Funny right?
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:52 pm to dominustd)
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Maybe the unions in Alaska are not bought off by the libs thus can vote as they please. I don't know, you tell me.
Nah, unions are no different than business lobby and they buy favor. I don't mind Unions though, and it doesn't guarantee a Democrat vote up here either
Unions favor certain trades where journeymen are involved but are pretty outdated beyond that.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:52 pm to crimsonsaint)
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Rex wanted Obama to kick BP out of the gulf and let the US government stop the oil leak. Funny right?
He also wanted to nationalize energy companies If I remember correctly.
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benhamin5555
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:00 pm to dominustd)
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I jumped in this thread, so you believe taxes should be raised on the rich or everybody, or nobody?
Nobody.
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You like Obamacare?
It has some flaws but in general, yes. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of this board has never taken a look at the actual bill.
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You like bailouts?
No
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Pro union?
Depends on the circumstance
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:05 pm to benhamin5555)
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It has some flaws but in general, yes. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of this board has never taken a look at the actual bill.
Who has? Outside a few interested parties. I find it difficult to support or defend without knowing more about it but do know the mandate sure isn't for "freedom lovin" folks.
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Bucktown Tigah
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:08 pm to benhamin5555)
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benhamin5555
Could you please respond to my post about how liberals "care" about individual rights and civil liberties?
I'm honestly curious at how you came to your conclusion that liberals are somehow better than conservatives on these issues.
Personally, I think both are awful.
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kingbob
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| re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:09 pm to benhamin5555)
because politicians in the U.S. who self identify as "liberals" often support policies rooted in "socialism". Duh.
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