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Scruffy
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


You are referring to classical liberals. They don't exist anymore.





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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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Government controlling the means of production, or a simplified "centrally planned economy" ? Nope, I've never heard that.


You definitely need to get out more. I know many liberals who would be happy with the govt grabbing as much control of the economy as they can get.

I think most liberals would be fine with govt taking over specific parts of the economy. Health, energy, etc. While not totally socialist, its definitely a lean.

Long gone are the days when liberal had more to do with liberty than the other guys.






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RuLSU
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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You definitely need to get out more.

I disagree.

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I know many liberals who would be happy with the govt grabbing as much control of the economy as they can get.

Don't hear a lot of that in my little part of NJ - or in the areas of NYC I visit frequently.

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I think most liberals would be fine with govt taking over specific parts of the economy. Health, energy, etc. While not totally socialist, its definitely a lean.

I'll completely agree with you on 'sectors' being taken over - specifically health.

Still a big difference between big government liberals and real deal socialism, IMO.

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Long gone are the days when liberal had more to do with liberty than the other guys.

Sadly true. Sadly true of both parties, while we're at it.






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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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I'll completely agree with you on 'sectors' being taken over - specifically health.

Still a big difference between big government liberals and real deal socialism, IMO.




If you mean "full blown" socialism I agree. I think many definitely lean toward socialistic tendencies though.

Those in my town would be perfectly happy if there wasn't a private sector job in the city.






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Bayou Sam
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


Good post.

This country is divided between right and left liberals. Right liberals are more liberal on economics and less liberal on foreign policy and social issues. Left liberals are the opposite.

Sure, there are radicals of all kinds of stripes, but confusing liberals with radicals of various stripes is just a rhetorical ploy designed to scare people.






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CajunAngele
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


Why do most democrats call themselves progressives?





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SlowFlowPro
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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Why do most democrats call themselves progressives?

i call them progressives to avoid the problems referenced by this thread






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Anfield Road
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


The Liberal Party is the conservative (if we're talking in American terms) party in Australia.





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Scruffy
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


They are progressives now. For some reason they have retained the moniker of "liberal," despite the fact that they aren't liberals anymore.

I would like for the classical liberals to return.






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SlowFlowPro
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they have retained the moniker of "liberal," despite the fact that they aren't liberals anymore.

if anybody wants a slice of life experiment...think back to john kerry avoiding labeling himself a liberal in 2004






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Fat Bastard
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


Do you understand that "classic liberalism" from our founding fathers is basically the same/similar to "Modern conservatism"?

please do not tell me you think "modern liberalism" is the same as above.

if so....................




oh and plenty socialists and marxists here hide under the guise of liberalism


FACT



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benhamin5555
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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oh and plenty socialists and marxists here hide under the guise of liberalism


Not denying that. But I will continue to call myself liberal until conservatives show a larger concern for civil rights and individual freedoms.



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Tbobby
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


Check out Zombietime's blog. She is a Conservative, living in San Francisco, who photographs the protests in the area. It is very revealing and entertaining, but definitely NSFW.





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Scruffy
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


I think you are confusing liberals with Democrats and conservatives with Republicans.

Democrats =/= Liberals
Republicans =/= Conservatives






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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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Not denying that. But I will continue to call myself liberal until conservatives show a larger concern for civil rights and individual freedoms


Hate to tell ya chief, Liberals don't give a shite about those things either.

Both sides have a set of liberties they protect but both ideologies pretty much trample all over individualism and it's liberty in their current form






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NELAtigers
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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quite accurate


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almost anything


dumbest post/wording ever to try and validate a source of evidence






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olgoi khorkhoi
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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Not denying that. But I will continue to call myself liberal until conservatives show a larger concern for civil rights and individual freedoms.


how about we all agree to be libertarian and that the government is wildly inefficient at the very best and should have as small a role as possible?






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crimsonsaint
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


I don't consider liberals socialists but rather statists. They want a big arse government to take in a bunch of money and provide welfare and healthcare for the "needy". They think a few should provide for all and they think an incompetent government knows best on how to collect money and distribute it.





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Bucktown Tigah
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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Not denying that. But I will continue to call myself liberal until conservatives show a larger concern for civil rights and individual freedoms.


WTF???

Liberals are SILENT on Obama's actions of the following:

- Patriot Act extension
- Expansion of Guantanamo
- More drone strikes than Bush in counties in which we have no declared war.
- Entering a civil war in Libya without congressional approval.
- Slow withdrawal from Afghanistan
- Wanting to extend the US presence in Iraq even LONGER than the original Bush timeline.
- More warrant less wiretaps than Bush.
- Raiding more LEGAL medical marijuana dispensaries than Bush.
- Claiming the power to assassinate American citizens without due process ( secret kill list )

Liberals for full of shit!

What else did I leave out?






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Roaad
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?


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because US socialists prefer to be known as liberals and have worked hard to confuse the masses
Exactly.







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