It's interesting that with all of the talent and money that the state of Texas has, their teams haven't won more championships.

Who else besides Mack Brown and Darrell Royal have been great coaches at Texas? And why hasn't A&M been able to capitalize on that?

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Posted by cardboardboxer

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Posted on 11/9/12 at 3:36 pm to Bellabama

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It's interesting that with all of the talent and money that the state of Texas has, their teams haven't won more championships.

Unlike a state such as Alabama, Texas has many pro teams to consume the passion and the attention of people. College football is number 2 here.

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And why hasn't A&M been able to capitalize on that?

We weren't really in our modern form (as in size and student makeup) until the 1980s. Through the 80s and the 90s we did capitalize to a certain extent, then Fran ruined our program for the most recent decade.

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Posted by aggressor

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Posted on 11/9/12 at 5:10 pm to Bellabama

Part of the issue is historically you had so many decent schools in the SWC. In the early days Rice and TCU had some powerhouse teams because private schools actually had better resources than public schools. SMU had a few eras where they were excellent. UH actually had some really stout teams as well and Baylor was a consistent Top 25 team back when Grant Teaff was coach. Mainly though a lot of the talent was dispersed amongst those schools and that meant you had 8 schools plus Arkie, the OK schools, and LSU going after that Texas talent. Sure Texas had the most years on top of the pile but they didn't dominate nearly as much as they act like they did outside of the 60's when the scholarship rules really made the field unbalanced.

Oh and to whomever asked lots of schools would have loved Jackie Sherrill before the NCAA came after him and RC Slocum turned down the Arizona Cardinals job to stay at A&M. Mike Sherman actually turned down the Cleveland Browns job as well.

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Posted by H-Town Tiger

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Posted on 11/10/12 at 1:46 pm to Bellabama

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It's interesting that with all of the talent and money that the state of Texas has, their teams haven't won more championships.

I'm not surprised to see a Bama fan say this given how many questionable titles Alabama claims and that bragging about them is the root of most of your fan base's self worth. UT could claim a lot more.

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Who else besides Mack Brown and Darrell Royal have been great coaches at Texas?

Dana X Bible is one of the legendary coaches of all time. He coached at both Texas and A&M and even a year at LSU.

Your comment also shows the folly of judging coaches solely on titles in a sport where the National Title has not only always been determined by a popularity contest, but has shifted over time.

For example, Fred Akers was a pretty good coach for UT. He led a #1 ranked team in 1977 to the Cotton bowl, where he lost to Notre Dame. Just 4 years earlier, when 1977 Heisman winner Earl Campbell was HS Sr, Bear Bryant had a #1 ranked team lose to Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. However, in 1973 the UPI (coaches poll) still did not do a poll after the bowls, so Bryant gets a split title with an undefeated ND team he lost to in a bowl. The UPI was so embarrassed they started awarding the NC after the bowls like the AP unfortunately for Akers. This was Bryant's 2nd title after losing a bowl and the first of 2 he split with a team that beat him. Royal also had a title with a bowl loss.

So besides Royal and Brown, count Bible and Fred Akers.

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