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CrimsonCoast 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:34 pm to JawjaTigah)
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It is pre-emptive murder
In the same way that me not giving food to a starving homeless man is murder. The human fetus is a dependent parasite on the mother. It is not murder (or "pre-emptive") if the mother simply decides not to participate in this relationship.
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graychef 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:34 pm to SilverSpurs13)
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Who are you to decide what a woman does with her body?
I am not a woman so I don't have a say in what a woman does with her body. But I was a child once. I should be able to defend and protect them.
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ShoeBang 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:36 pm to CrimsonCoast)
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In the same way that me not giving food to a starving homeless man is murder. The human fetus is a dependent parasite on the mother. It is not murder (or "pre-emptive") if the mother simply decides not to participate in this relationship.
So if a mother abandons her new born baby (who is completely dependent on someone else to live - her) and it dies, is that not murder?
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Ace Midnight 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:36 pm to CrimsonCoast)
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The human fetus is a dependent parasite on the mother. It is not murder (or "pre-emptive") if the mother simply decides not to participate in this relationship.
How about when the baby's 3 months old, CC?
ETA: Shoebang - Jinx.
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molsusports
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:47 pm to BeeFense5)
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giving legal approval to terminate innocent life through abortion is completely radical.
if the people who think abortion should be legal agreed that was a human being then abortion wouldn't be illegal.
if social conservatives are fixated on abortion as an issue they should probably start out by recognizing how common of a procedure it is and then try and shift the opinions of those who disagree over time... just calling someone a baby killer drives away anyone who isn't already on your side (and some of those who were on your side)
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molsusports
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:58 pm to ShoeBang)
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A two day old fertilized cell is not a child. It doesn't have a soul.
Really? I never knew that anyone knew that. Please quote your source.
if you believe a soul is single and indivisible it can be proven to some extent - because early stage development can result in fusions (people who are chimeras don't have two souls) or divisions (identical twins or quadruplets don't share the same soul split multiple ways)
at some point the catholic church needs to come to terms with the basic biology understood in this area and admit (at a bare minimum) the soul can not be imparted at the moment of fertilization
it took them a few centuries when it came to the Earth's relationship with the Sun tho - so I'm not holding my breath
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Ace Midnight
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:08 pm to molsusports)
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at some point the catholic church needs to come to terms with the basic biology understood in this area and admit (at a bare minimum) the soul can not be imparted at the moment of fertilization
What if I admit you're probably right? When is it? It can't be "viability" because that is a large part dependent on technology? Is it 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks? 16 weeks?
What if I'm holding the probe, you're in the womb and somebody else is making that call? Don't you want the error to be more conservative than right on the edge?
(If we were talking about a beagle, an orca or any other mammal, that life begins at, or very shortly after, conception. Ya'll don't want it to be that way for humans because you can't legally kill a "human" - thus the "parasitic glob of cellular tissue" nonsense.)
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molsusports
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:09 pm to Ace Midnight)
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If we were talking about a beagle, an orca or any other mammal, that life begins at, or very shortly after, conception
what? no it doesn't... at least not to anyone who doesn't believe the same in a human being
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:10 pm to Rex)
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"Innocent" connotes a state of mind... an absence of evil intent.
How can something WITHOUT a mind be "innocent"?
Sorry, but more and more women are not feeling bound by your religious nonsense.
couldn't it also mean that you aren't guilty of anything?
if a fetus is human being which I believe it is and it has no possibility to hurt anyone or be guilty of anything maybe other than sucking his/her thumb, would this make the fetus an innocent human being.
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Patrick_Bateman 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:17 pm to LSU80 USF08)
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While the tissue is 'alive', it is not yet a person.
Is a baby? I mean, sure, their heart beats and they breathe, but are they really alive? They can't walk, can't talk. Do they even think? Who knows? Maybe we should include anyone under age 2 for abortion. That would expand the woman's right to choose, and it would significantly lower the number of "unwanted" births/children.
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JEAUXBLEAUX
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:20 pm to Patrick_Bateman)
A fetus is not a baby. No stranger has the right to tell a woman she cant choose
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Patrick_Bateman
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:23 pm to CrimsonCoast)
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It is not murder (or "pre-emptive") if the mother simply decides not to participate in this relationship.
She should decide that before beginning that relationship. It's not fair to the baby if the mother agrees to the relationship (i.e., gets pregnant), then changes her mind and kills it.
A woman has every right to choose. Before she gets pregnant. She can choose abstinence, she can choose contraception, she can choose not to allow her partner to inseminate her, she can choose birth control. That's a lot of choice. What she cannot choose, though, is to kill her unborn baby. That's my opinion, anyways.
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Patrick_Bateman
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:27 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX)
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No stranger has the right to tell a woman she cant choose
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A woman has every right to choose. Before she gets pregnant. She can choose abstinence, she can choose contraception, she can choose not to allow her partner to inseminate her, she can choose birth control. What she cannot choose, though, is to kill her unborn baby.
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Bama2010
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:28 pm to baytiger)
The ignorance of both sides about our current abortion law is crazy.
Overturning Roe would just throw abortion back to the states. Alabama Mississippi Texas etc would/have already banned it.
Roe also allows banning of late term abortion in the exception of the mother's health.
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Patrick_Bateman
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:28 pm to Patrick_Bateman)
What could be more anti-woman than aborting a female fetus?
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vl100butch
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:29 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX)
what is driving me nuts is the lack of give on both sides....
what's wrong with RU-486 or emergency contraception in the first month?
isn't there something wrong with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus after 16 weeks?
....how many of you are willing to adopt a minority crack baby???
and there is the massive grey area..... shite happens in pregnancies.....there's stuff like neural tube defects and anencephely where you have a fetus that's not life compatible...and you have the nerve to tell a mother that she has to carry a baby thats going to die?
now that i've hopefully gotten both sides of the debate pissed off at me....maybe i can get one or two people to actually engage their brains and THINK!!!!!
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Fat Bastard 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:32 pm to BeeFense5)
The only acceptable social views is protecting INFANTICIDE and MAN ON MAN LOVE
The democrats love them some of that.
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chadau79 
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:32 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX)
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A fetus is not a baby. No stranger has the right to tell a woman she cant choose
Does someone who murders a woman face more legal trouble if that woman is pregnant?
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CaptainBrannigan
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:33 pm to BeeFense5)
Because what gives you the right to sell another person what she can do with her body?
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PunchDrunk
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| re: How Is Protecting The Life Of The Innocent A "Radical" Belief? (Posted on 11/7/12 at 5:34 pm to BeeFense5)
I wish my mom would have had an abortion instead of having me. I could have punched my ticket straight to heaven without having to deal with this crazy mess known as life. win-win as I see it.
I dont think pro-life is extremism though, and not sure why you imply that it is.
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