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What if the people in the wrong apt freaked out about the chainsaw and shot through the door in terror and self preservation? Would they have been in the right? ....dead of course from more idiocy, but dead right (?)


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Chips and dip with a water.


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Vince
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What kind of discipline do you think is warranted?
I'm sure that the FBI, just like any other governmental agency has appropriate disciplinary plans currently in place including approved grievance procedures if an agent/employee wishes to challenge the action.


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I'm sure that the FBI, just like any other governmental agency has appropriate disciplinary plans currently in place including approved grievance procedures if an agent/employee wishes to challenge the action.




I'm sure they do.


So you're saying the agent responsible should be disciplined but you don't know what would be appropriate.


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I call BS. You don't need a chainsaw when a simple well placed kick drives the deadbolt through the white pine casing holding it in place.


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Vince
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So you're saying the agent responsible should be disciplined but you don't know what would be appropriate.

What I said was that it is conceivable that there are existing disciplinary actions approved by the agency and established grievance procedures for those actions.

What who me, Vince, an elderly woman from Texas, the Gonzales Chief of Police or even the Boogie Man thinks would be inconsequential to any action that may or may not be taken by the agency.


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re: FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment
I'm quite aware of all that. I was just asking what in your opinion would be a just punishment.

Termination, suspension without pay for a week or a month, reprimand, verbal counseling, loss of departmental vehicle, etc.


I'm not trying to stir shite just inquiring your personal opinion on the matter.


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I'm not trying to stir shite just inquiring your personal opinion on the matter

Probably a decrease in GS level.


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Damn, imagine how terrifying that would be.


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Ok a demotion.

I'm not very familiar with the federal rank structure and how strong of an impact that would be on the agent's career.


I would like to know if it was the case of a typo or a gross investigative error with the latter having a more significant of a punishment if that was the case.

Do you agree?


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“I just happened to glance over and saw this huge chainsaw ripping down the side of my door,” she explains. “And I was freaking out. I didn’t know what was going on.”


Just happen to look over and see my door being ripped apart by a chainsaw. Good thibg I happen to see it bc I never would have known otherwise.

I'm not against this lady not do I condone the fbi's behavior but
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Sanchez says another agent came by later that day to offer an apology, but it was one that Sanchez felt wasn’t quite genuine.


Of course it didn't. :insertlawsuit:


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Bombblonde
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So you're saying the agent responsible should be disciplined but you don't know what would be appropriate.


To be fair, it's not his job to know the disciplinary procedures of another company In which he has no affiliation.


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Vince
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I'm not very familiar with the federal rank structure and how strong of an impact that would be on the agent's career.
It would result in a 1 - 3 year regression in salary on average if they follow the same guidelines as other agencies using the General Schedule.

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I would like to know if it was the case of a typo or a gross investigative error with the latter having a more significant of a punishment if that was the case.


I would find either of those cited examples to be inexcusable considering that this was an investigation conducted by an agency of the United States Department of Justice.

While the F and R keys are in close proximity on the standard QWERTY keyboard, one would hope that any agency, especially this agency, would be more proficient when submitting a warrant after such a lengthy investigation.

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It is rather obvious that you are......


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Now may I ask you the question of what would happen in your department if such an act of negligence were to occur under similar non-exigent circumstances?
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Worth them if it goes that long. The incompetence of men with the power of life and death literally in thier hands is used too many times in this nation with the result of innocents being killed in thier domiciles. Might want to check that bill of rights thingie a bit today.


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re: FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment
Not sure I follow that you say I'm grasping at straws. I was just inquiring your opinion in what do you think should happen to the responsible agent.


My department? I sell ice cream


You say it's inexcusable. Federal agency or not mistakes can and will be made. It happens to all of us.

The amount discipline would depend on what was the toll of the mistake. Obviously I feel the consequences should be stronger if say for example someone had been injured or killed during the execution of the warrant.

In the cited case no one was injured and it only resulted in property damage and a frightened tenant.

At most I would think a small suspension without pay.


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re: FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment
Sorry for Partying?


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What if the people in the wrong apt freaked out about the chainsaw and shot through the door in terror and self preservation? Would they have been in the right? ....dead of course from more idiocy, but dead right (?)

Just thought the same thing. Surely a judge would see that with common sense, right?


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Vince
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My department? I sell ice cream
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Blue Bell or Blue Bunny?

Those four links reinforce why I believe you are grasping for straws. Image: http://i4.ifrm.com/5733/87/emo/1115.gif


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In the cited case no one was injured and it only resulted in property damage and a frightened tenant.
Can I use a chainsaw to gain entry into your home with an M4 assault rifle drawn while your kids are sleeping?

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Can you honestly say that they wouldn't have any emotional problems in the future?




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The FBI is going after minorities with the war on drugs? No way!


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re: FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment
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Can I use a chainsaw to gain entry into your home with an M4 assault rifle drawn while your kids are sleeping?



What kind of bull shite question is this? Obviously the FBI made a mistake. I'm not defending the mistake. I thought we were just discussing what would be appropriate for discipline to the responsible agents.




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Can you honestly say that they wouldn't have any emotional problems in the future?



Can you say for certain that they will?




Sorry, I still don't follow the grasping at straws idea.




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