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Still waiting for the first business to shut down because of the "burden" of Obamacare.
We haven't closed, but we've declined expanding and hiring. Don't believe it? I don't care. Enjoy reveling in your ignorance.

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I eagerly await the first verifiable instance of Obamacare killing a business.
You think business owners are going to post their balance sheets?



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Taxing Authority
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Those are ad hominems.
Nope. Name calling maybe? But, he gave reasons for his argument, and didn't declare your arguments invalid because of the person giving them.






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acgeaux129
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Obviously I'll want substantive proof that it was Obamacare, and not the hundreds of other reasons for shutting down, that instigated the closing. That doesn't mean I'll refuse to acknowledge it. It may be difficult to prove, but if someone wants to make a sweeping claim like that they better be able to back it up with figures.



You are so intelligent in your ignorance of fundamental macroeconomic principles and assumptions.






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Reubaltaich
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Still waiting for the first business to shut down because of the "burden" of Obamacare.


Rex Rex Rex

O'trauma care will be fully implemented in 2014. Try to keep up son.






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PRK
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You are so intelligent in your ignorance of fundamental macroeconomic principles and assumptions.



If a business wants to claim Obamacare shut them down and they want people to act based on that claim, they have to prove it. Is this even debatable?






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lsuroadie
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PRK



I don't even know where to begin w/ you . You have good intentions in this thread but you fall under the infamous quote so perfectly:

'those that don't get it, don't get they don't get it'

That would be you






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Reubaltaich
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Businesses are going to keep their payroll numbers under 49.
Hire more temps and 'independent contractors', scale back employees to 'part-time' status...






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TheDirty1
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Businesses are going to keep their payroll numbers under 49.


This is true. My family business employs about 75 people in the Baton Rouge area We are going though all the options to see what moves we might need to take to counter the new tax. Its most probably going to require the formation of a new company to employ half of the company. Or we can just cut hours for a majority of our workers.






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MississippiLSUfan
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Businesses are going to keep their payroll numbers under 49.


Absolutely. And anything else that they can do to continue to operate in the green. They will also fire or lay-off employees to adhere to the law and to stay under 50...as they should.

Very poorly written law.






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PRK
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'those that don't get it, don't get they don't get it'




I'm not going to believe rhetoric and "sky is falling" nonsense until there is substantive, quantifiable evidence. There is plenty of scholarship suggesting just the opposite, that Obamacare is eminently reasonable and not prohibitively expensive -- particularly for small business.

I find that most people who oppose the bill have no idea what it actually contains. I just hear vague condemnation of "big government" and "it's a tax!". I'm not necessarily accusing people in this thread of that kind of ignorance, but I've yet to see any substantial proof that the changes to group healthcare schemes is unbearable.






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Elcid96
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nonsense until there is substantive, quantifiable evidence


So common sense you don't believe in?

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There is plenty of scholarship suggesting just the opposite


There are no business owners who suggest this!


BTW how many businesses do you run?

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I find that most people who oppose the bill have no idea what it actually contains.


Funny I find that the idiots who passed the bill, have the same view and admitted as much






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Elcid96
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Businesses are going to keep their payroll numbers under 49.


My buddy already did this.

He just split his business up into two.

Hired much more temps.







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PRK
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So common sense you don't believe in?




You think healthcare reform is achievable through common sense reasoning? You prefer something that "sounds" right over something that is supported by empirical data? Geocentrism makes sounds reasonable if your standard is "common sense".


In answer to your question, no, I don't "believe" in common sense. I prefer information substantiated by, you know, observable facts.


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There are no business owners who suggest this!



Wrong.


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BTW how many businesses do you run?



Fallacious argument from authority. How many businesses did Our Lord and Savior Ronald Reagan run? Does running a business immediately confer macroeconomic knowledge? In that case, Herman Cain 2016.



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Tim
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I find that most people who oppose the bill have no idea what it actually contains


Well, you know, we did have to pass it to find out what was in it...







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Turbeauxdog
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There is plenty of scholarship suggesting just the opposite, that Obamacare is eminently reasonable and not prohibitively expensive -- particularly for small business.


I simply do not believe you. No scholarship could stand up to even the most rudimentary criticism if it were to suggest that added regulatory cost does not decrease efficiency and productivity.

Your ascertation simply defies accepted economic principles.






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Elcid96
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There are no business owners who suggest this!



Wrong.



Link? Please show me where business owners want this. Other than Insurance companies.

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BTW how many businesses do you run?



Fallacious argument from authority.


Simple question.



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ou think healthcare reform is achievable through common sense reasoning? You prefer something that "sounds" right over something that is supported by empirical data? Geocentrism makes sounds reasonable if your standard is "common sense".



NO, you actually have no common sense if you think Obamacare is embraced by business and it will not force them to make changes that will hurt their business or cause some to close.

You can't just throw a rock in a pond and not deal with the ripples.


You keep pointing to scholars, I keep pointing to real life. Please provide a link that indicates business want this placed upon them and find that it will be good for their business. TIA


I find that those who support this bill, don't typically know what is in it, or how businesses run.



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PRK
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LINK


Support among small business owners appears extremely analogous with sentiments among the public at large.


Imagine that.


LINK






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Elcid96
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he Small Business Majority’s poll surveyed 800 small business owners in eight states: Michigan, Virginia, Texas, Florida, Missouri, Louisiana, New York and Illinois.

With each of these with businesses that employ under 25 people.

If it is so great please explain the waivers?

You take a sample of 8 states?



Here ya go.



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09/27/2012 • 10:00 AM
Survey of small businesses: Obamacare is the biggest challenge to new hiring

From CNS News:

More than one in five businesses (21%) are considering dropping employee health insurance due to Obamacare, and 59% are considering changing the coverage they offer, a new industry survey shows.

Two-thirds (67%) of small businesses and manufacturers say Obamacare will increase their health care costs, the survey of owners and top decision-makers by the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) and National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) shows.

Of those providing health insurance to their employees, 38% fear Obamacare will cause them increase the amount employees have to pay for coverage.

Small business owners and manufacturers see Obamacare as one of the most daunting problems facing their businesses today. Fully 56% rate Obamacare a major challenge, well above other issues like regulatory costs (36%), energy costs (39%) – and more than twice the threat of foreign competition (25%).


Imagine that...it is one of their biggest challenges to grow their business.




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Elcid96
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And make no mistake, the health care bill is, all things considered, the largest income-redistribution program enacted in decades. It collects taxes from the prosperous and offers new Medicaid benefits to the near poor and provides sliding-scale subsidies to a broad range of families earning below the median income. There’s plenty to like about that, but also plenty to dislike if you’re the sort of prosperous person who owns or manages a small or medium-sized firm


From your link.

Apparently there is plenty to dislike!! If you are a business owner.






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Tim
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As a business owner, I can tell you the paperwork is going to be a nightmare. With a household and two people working, obviously they both will not need insurance. This will be additional paperwork for the business owner. And as a business owner, aside from the 70-80 hours I already work, I can tell you more employee paperwork is just what I'm looking forward to...





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