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re: Lance Armstrong was part of the most complex doping scheme ever...
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:37 am to CAD703X
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:37 am to CAD703X
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so why drop the case after spending millions of taxpayer dollars given your track record of securing prior high profile convictions of flojo and bonds?
Flojo?
I'm guessing you don't follow track and field at all, do you?This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 8:38 am
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Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:40 am to trackfan
Has Lance ever actually said he never doped? I know I have heard him a million times say that he has never failed a drug test and that he is the most tested person of all time.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:42 am to trackfan
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Flojo? I'm guessing you don't f
marion jones..jesus give me a break it was a typo/brain fart
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:45 am to guttata
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Has Lance ever actually said he never doped? I know I have heard him a million times say that he has never failed a drug test and that he is the most tested person of all time.
the point here is pretty much 100% of the peloton was and is juicing.
how/who are you going to trust?
wiggins??
freaking FROOME?? dude came out of nowhere.
there are no clean athletes..they just change their methods.
good luck pinning the future on phinney or van garteren as 'clean'.
eta no offense, i really like phinney but who/how are you gonna trust anyone? might as well wipe out all tour wins for the last 30 years to set the record straight.
oh wait..there's always "saint" lemond.
he only doped mechanically riding a bike that was going to give him more time on fignon than any amount of EPO, blood transfusions or testosterone would. but that was ok right? because the 'bike police' hadn't yet realized what a huge advantage in time areo bars and helmets would make right?
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 8:48 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:16 am to guttata
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Has Lance ever actually said he never doped?
Yes, on many occasions, including under oath.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:46 am to barry
quote:Lower and upper body strength, endurance, stamina, use of fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, flexibility.
What does this have to do with athleticism?
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:04 am to H-Town Tiger
fricking Rats!!!
Snitches get stitches!!!
Snitches get stitches!!!
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:04 am to saderade
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What does this have to do with athleticism?
Lower and upper body strength, endurance, stamina, use of fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, flexibility.
3 weeks
100 miles or more a day
2 rest days
20 or more mountains to climb
7-8 hours each day going close to the limits of your endurance
knowing how/when to attack other cyclists to burn yourself out climbing a stage to win 30 seconds on your closest competitor knowing you gotta climb 2 or 3 more mountains the very next day
yep, he just rides a huffy.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:11 am to Interception
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fricking Rats!!!
Snitches get stitches!!!
Would you lie under oath to save a friend? These guys were all subpeonaed, none of them ratted out Armstrong voluntarily.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:15 am to trackfan
Well, that's what doesn't make sense to me. It wasn't yet a civil lawsuit I don't think, so how did they have subpoena power? Weren't these dudes just threatened with lifetime bans to get testimony? Even if so, one or two guys could be discredited, but not a dozen.
It's strange that the ADA could prove a case, but not the government. That's why I buy the theory that the government dropped the case due to politics.
It's strange that the ADA could prove a case, but not the government. That's why I buy the theory that the government dropped the case due to politics.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:24 am to trackfan
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Another truth is Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, was involved in meetings conducted by Novitzky during the FDA’s investigation, which as stated above, failed to have formal charges filed against Armstrong. The FDA then gave its evidence to USADA, a non-profit, non-governmental agency, which then accused Armstrong of doping violations in a charging letter U.S. District Court Judge, Sam Sparks called “so vague and unhelpful it would not pass muster in any court in the United States.”
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After the FDA failed to persuade the federal grand jury to file a single criminal indictment against Lance Armstrong, and the US Attorney dropped the case, all that evidence obtained by the FDA during its criminal investigation made its way to Travis Tygart and USADA.
USADA’s evidentiary threshold is far less stringent than the FDA’s because it is not subject the rules that governed the FDA’s criminal investigation. US District Court Judge Sam Sparks stated in his opinion dismissing Armstrong’s lawsuit against USADA and Tygart that “the deficiency of USADA’s charging document is of serious constitutional concern.”
LINK
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:34 am to Bunk Moreland
The Feds have subpeona power.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:36 am to trackfan
Yeah, CAD just answered it all for me. They shipped everything to ADA.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:37 am to trackfan
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The Feds have subpeona power.
usada <> the feds
fda lost this case when they allowed tygart access to an on-going investigation..moreso when they handed over the evidence they had and allowed him to run wild.
is everyone simply ignoring this?
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US District Court Judge Sam Sparks stated in his opinion dismissing Armstrong’s lawsuit against USADA and Tygart that “the deficiency of USADA’s charging document is of serious constitutional concern.”
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 10:39 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:07 am to trackfan
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Would you lie under oath to save a friend? These guys were all subpeonaed, none of them ratted out Armstrong voluntarily.
You're an idiot. I see you can't detect sarcasm?
Posted on 10/11/12 at 7:41 pm to guttata
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Has Lance ever actually said he never doped?
See the 2005 lawsuit he filed to collect a $5m bonus after his TdF win. He's open to a possible 7 count perjury charge which the Feds could bring after looking at the USADA file.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:57 am to bulldog95
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too bad he is a great spokesperson for surviving cancer.
his personnel life may not be the best and now his professional life will not be either but I commend him on his battle with cancer and surviving.
"I survived cancer, therefore I mustn't be a bad person. I'm going to use all the believability I've garnered with the American public and all this marketability with my little yellow wristbands to 'dupe' everyone into thinking I won these seven races cleanly."
frick that guy.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 8:59 am
Posted on 10/15/12 at 10:10 pm to YouthInAsia
They only went after him cause he was white.-Barry bonds
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 10/17/12 at 11:05 am to L S Usetheforce
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