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keakdasneak
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I still don't know what question you're asking. Just ask. I'll answer.


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Let me use another analogy. Are you pleased with Obama as president? Do you feel you have no right to criticize, judge, or comment on his performance?


Let's start with this and we'll go from there.






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flucobaseball
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No I see the difference in my job and other jobs. What I fail to see is why we attribute sins of others to those who have done nothing wrong. I trouble you and others because I don't admit I am at fault for the corruption of others? It troubles me that you want me to admit to crimes I haven't committed.


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BTHog
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Let's start with this and we'll go from there.


this thread has NOTHING to do with Obama. Just honestly ask the question you want answered.






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keakdasneak
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this thread has NOTHING to do with Obama. Just honestly ask the question you want answered.


I've asked it twice and you didn't understand. I'm attempting to clarify. Analogies can help clarify by removing one from the context that is confusing. If you answer that question I think we might be able to move forward into some clarity. It doesn't matter if you like him, hate him, think he's done a great job, poor job. Do you think you have a right to criticize, judge, or comment on his behavior?






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keakdasneak
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No I see the difference in my job and other jobs. What I fail to see is why we attribute sins of others to those who have done nothing wrong. I trouble you and others because I don't admit I am at fault for the corruption of others? It troubles me that you want me to admit to crimes I haven't committed.


Look I get your point. And I understand to a degree. I bet you're a good person and a good cop. But I think what you may be failing to see from opposing perspective is that it isn't an issue of bad people being bad cops and being an anomaly. It's a systemic issue that allows and somewhat encourages bad people to be bad cops. See: the NYPD stop and frisk thread. See: the blue line of silence. See: BTHog not wanting to be criticized by non cops.



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flucobaseball
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Yes I saw that thread and I can tell you that it is not at all like my department. There is danger in seeing a video like that and assuming it applies everywhere. It can breed distrust of people who are there to help.





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BTHog
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Student shot on USA campus was on LSD

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this thread has NOTHING to do with Obama. Just honestly ask the question you want answered.



I've asked it twice and you didn't understand. I'm attempting to clarify. Analogies can help clarify by removing one from the context that is confusing. If you answer that question I think we might be able to move forward into some clarity. It doesn't matter if you like him, hate him, think he's done a great job, poor job. Do you think you have a right to criticize, judge, or comment on his behavior?


Unfair analogy since cops don't make policy. They only follow it.

However, in answer to your question about police.

is it fair to criticize dishonest cops? Of course it is, but that is entirely different than criticizing a cop who made a tough decision in a bad spot.

SOme of you act like cops are just running around looking for an excuse to shoot someone. That isn't the case at all. Only a pyschopath wants to shoot people. And yes, there certainly are some of those wearing badges, just as there are certainly some in all professions.

I know you're going to respond with " kick them off the force" but what the hell, most of the time you don't know they are crazy until they have done something crazy and at that point they are removed from the force. For the most part.






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keakdasneak
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Unfair analogy since cops don't make policy. They only follow it.


That has nothing to do with it. It's a totally appropriate analogy because as employees of the government, you both work for the citizens and should be held accountable by the citizens. Failure to do so leads to corruption, unchecked power, and statism.

I'll summarize. It is imperative for you to be judged and criticized by those that have never done your job (those that are outside your enclosed system)whether you like it or not.



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Vince
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If you want the numbers, Google is your friend. Of course you won't find every incident, as many seem to fail receive media coverage.

Since you appear to be an LSU fan, and reportedly live in Virginia, do you ever travel through Alabama?






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BTHog
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That has nothing to do with it. It's a totally appropriate analogy because as employees of the government, you both work for the citizens and should be held accountable by the citizens. Failure to do so leads to corruption, unchecked power, and statism.




99% of the complaints on this board have nothing to do with an officer's actions and everything to do with the OP being pissed off about a law.

look at the idiots who cry about dui checkpoints, claiming cops who work them should be killed, and yes it's been said on here; and other such nonsense.

Those cops are only doing their jobs and manning checkpoints which have been deemed legal by the proper authority. So why are so many critical of and hateful towards cops. Be mad at the SCOTUS if you want, but it's stupid to hate some poor a-hole who is just doing his job.

ANd that's just one example.

Look at this thread as another example. We've seen idiots claiming the guy should have fired a warning shot, or shot the dude in the leg LOL. The officer did exactly what he is trained to do, center mass.

As I said , I have NO problems criticizing a cop for his own bad behavior, but that is entirely different than criticizing a cop for following the law, and appropriate procedures just b/c you don't like the law or his procedures.







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flucobaseball
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That's about what I expected





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Sophandros
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I'm only about halfway through this thread, but here are my thoughts:

1) It seems the kid was on more than just LSD
2) To those who say that the officer was wrong to shoot the kid, you're free to your opinion.
3) However, you're looking at this from a few days later, miles away, from behind your computer screen. He had to follow protocol AND he was in the heat of the moment when he had to make that decision.
4) I think the kid's family will get paid because the school was negligent by not having non-lethal force available to its officers. Additionally, as someone else mentioned, the school will want the discussion about this to die down ASAP.
5) Most importantly, this is a sad, sad situation for all parties involved. I feel for both the cop and for the family of the kid. It's a very unfortunate situation that could have been avoided in a number of ways.






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Vince
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That's about what I expected

Glad I didn't disappoint you.

But if your travels ever bring you through the Tragic City, I would be honored to buy you lunch or dinner.






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BTHog
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Vince


how many police shootings do you estimate there are in BR in a year?






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flucobaseball
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Haha thanks man. I'm coming down to LSU for the Ole Miss game but I will be flying this time. Another time though





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Vince
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how many police shootings do you estimate there are in BR in a year?

I honestly have no idea.

However, I would suggest you start by using Google, Yahoo or Bling if you have a desire to obtain such information; rather than asking a someone on an internet message boars who has never visited Baton Rouge.






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Vince
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Have a safe flight and be sure to let me know in advance for the next time.





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Sl4m
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I've never heard of Anyone ever acting aggressive on LSD. The guy had to be off his rocker to begin with.

A shame the cop/security guard didn't have a taser or call for backup. That's what tasers are for, aggresive situations that a gun isn't quite needed for.






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BTHog
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I've never heard of Anyone ever acting aggressive on LSD. The guy had to be off his rocker to begin with.


you mean you don't want to believe it

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junkfunky
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You never did answer my question. Do you understand why it is that this attitude makes people hate cops and why it is dangerous to the citizenry that you are supposed to protect?


That's an easy one, most people are ignorant (ie, lack perspective) and if you disagree with that....






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