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re: For all of you crying for a new OC or HC/OC what specifically would you change?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:04 pm to Rabid Tiger
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:04 pm to Rabid Tiger
I want a new offensive coordinator...I'm not a coach but even I could see that offensive was not scoring in the scone half. So try something different!!!!!!!!!
Idk, more passes out of the back feild to our great RBs, maybe more short passes to the tight end, maybe get Hilliard and ford in the game and fake up the middle and pitch outside to ford.....at least show that u r trying
Just try something different to score points!!!!!!!!
Idk, more passes out of the back feild to our great RBs, maybe more short passes to the tight end, maybe get Hilliard and ford in the game and fake up the middle and pitch outside to ford.....at least show that u r trying
Just try something different to score points!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:15 pm to Bleeding purple
WRs and Offensive Lineman need better coaching. That would be a good start. The WRs do not get open enough and when they do, they drop the ball. These are extremely talented guys that would be studs at most other schools. We have incredible talent on the O line as well. Ben Wilkerson comes in for 1 year and we all of a sudden improve dramatically, he leaves and almost the same line is worse then it ever was.
Play calling. It truly has gotten to the point where horrendous would be a nice thing to say about it. When a defense has weaknesses, we do not attack those weaknesses we say make them stop us (ie running the ball up the middle against Alabama). When we have players with certain strengths and abilities we do not run plays to accent those strengths and abilities we run the same shite we always have and say "make them stop us" (ie Russell Sheppard never getting any sweeps or trick plays). When we have guys that can't run our normal plays, we run them anyway and say "make them stop us" (IE Mett doing any sort of running the football or using our power backs to run around the edges).
The main reason we run the ball the way we do is to keep the defense fresh. It supposedly keeps them off the field. Well, going 3 and out every possession seems to be doing just the opposite IMO. IMO I would rather have WVU's offense and let the chips fall when it comes to Chavis and our athletes on D. Honestly, I don't see how they would be on the field any more then they are right now.
Play calling. It truly has gotten to the point where horrendous would be a nice thing to say about it. When a defense has weaknesses, we do not attack those weaknesses we say make them stop us (ie running the ball up the middle against Alabama). When we have players with certain strengths and abilities we do not run plays to accent those strengths and abilities we run the same shite we always have and say "make them stop us" (ie Russell Sheppard never getting any sweeps or trick plays). When we have guys that can't run our normal plays, we run them anyway and say "make them stop us" (IE Mett doing any sort of running the football or using our power backs to run around the edges).
The main reason we run the ball the way we do is to keep the defense fresh. It supposedly keeps them off the field. Well, going 3 and out every possession seems to be doing just the opposite IMO. IMO I would rather have WVU's offense and let the chips fall when it comes to Chavis and our athletes on D. Honestly, I don't see how they would be on the field any more then they are right now.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:39 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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WRs and Offensive Lineman need better coaching. That would be a good start. The WRs do not get open enough and when they do, they drop the ball. These are extremely talented guys that would be studs at most other schools. We have incredible talent on the O line as well. Ben Wilkerson comes in for 1 year and we all of a sudden improve dramatically, he leaves and almost the same line is worse then it ever was.
Partially agree here. The O line foot work, knowledge of assignment, and speed off of the ball was poor. The WR are failing to get good separation and routes are consistently just short of the needed yardage for the play. I would like to see the O line coach on the field not in the box as I feel he would be more effective there. The injuries to the O line have been devestating. Im not sure thre is improved coaching that will help our "extremely talented guys" to catch balls that hit them in both hands though.
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When a defense has weaknesses, we do not attack those weaknesses we say make them stop us (ie running the ball up the middle against Alabama). When we have players with certain strengths and abilities we do not run plays to accent those strengths and abilities we run the same shite we always have and say "make them stop us" (ie Russell Sheppard never getting any sweeps or trick plays).
Again partially agree. Im not sure bama D had a "weakness" last year but up the middle was certainly not it. I would assume this was why LSU attacked the perimeter with option, which unfortunately fialed too. I would like to see some increased misdirection plays. I would like to see some utilization of Shep but I'm not as convinced as others that he has not had oppurtunities to shine.
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The main reason we run the ball the way we do is to keep the defense fresh. It supposedly keeps them off the field. Well, going 3 and out every possession seems to be doing just the opposite IMO.
Completely agree
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IMO I would rather have WVU's offense and let the chips fall when it comes to Chavis and our athletes on D. Honestly, I don't see how they would be on the field any more then they are right now
Not a team in the nation that would not want WVU offense or their athletes on that squad. Mett is not Geno and our WR are not WVU WR.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:53 pm to Bleeding purple
If people are going to blame the play calling then someone should breakdown a rough picture of what every offensive playcall was in the game.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:56 pm to Bleeding purple
I would like just to curse a little less than I do on the golf course when they run a play.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:34 pm to Bleeding purple
I'd for sure establish a faster tempo.. I think we have fundamental problems along the offensive line but I think there are certain way in which you can mask this. Did anyone catch any of the Patriots-Broncos game this past weekend? The patriots have seemingly incorporated an Oregon type tempo to a pro-style offense. I think this would accomplish two things: 1) it would exploit personnel/ match up advantages by disallowing the defensive units to sub players in and out based upon package and 2) it would allow our guys to just play with less thought. Everything seems predictable and forced because it is.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:36 pm to Bleeding purple
I would change scoring 0 TD's in a game, like we have done in our last 2 SEC matchups.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 5:16 pm to GeauxDat1207
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1) it would exploit personnel/ match up advantages by disallowing the defensive units to sub players in and out based upon package and 2) it would allow our guys to just play with less thought. Everything seems predictable and forced because it is.
increased tempo could be a good thing. It certainly will dimish the O line issues.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 5:36 pm to Bleeding purple
i know this is a serious post and i appreciate it; i am so tired of the whining from people that know nothing about football. some examples are...
-the definition of insanity
-exploit our personnel better utilizing their strengths
-call plays that work
-use back up wr's
-use back up qb's
-be less predictable
-fire OC
-fire HC
-attack defensive weaknesses
-remove qb's mustache
-do away with qb's place on bench
good luck with asking for specifics. i am sure you will get some lulu's. i am not offering any because i really don't think our play calling or coaching is the problem. plus i don't know enough about x's and o's and don't know enough about the capabilities of each player. i am unusual i guess; not being an expert and all.
-the definition of insanity
-exploit our personnel better utilizing their strengths
-call plays that work
-use back up wr's
-use back up qb's
-be less predictable
-fire OC
-fire HC
-attack defensive weaknesses
-remove qb's mustache
-do away with qb's place on bench
good luck with asking for specifics. i am sure you will get some lulu's. i am not offering any because i really don't think our play calling or coaching is the problem. plus i don't know enough about x's and o's and don't know enough about the capabilities of each player. i am unusual i guess; not being an expert and all.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 5:58 pm to Child of the Missip
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e need a man Les Miles can't walk all over
It would take at least a day to walk all over our OC.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 6:11 pm to Bleeding purple
Fire the OC(scapegoat#3)and hope this head coach realizes that his offensive philosphy is a thing of the past. Hire an offensive minded coach and let them have the final say so on what play will be ran. Our team offensively is terrible and the numbers don't lie. Thank God we have a top rated defense to keep us in all the games. I just don't see how we will attract QB and WR top notch talent running an offense like we are trying to run. We have great RB's, but with a sub par OL does that mean to have to run all the time. I would bet most coaches who have a team with with the OL we have would resort to opening up the playbook and passing more or eliminate the QB position at times and run some kind of wildcat. I scratch my head when the trick play of the day was a HB jump pass that looked liked pass all the way. This is a terribly executed play especially when you run it with a guy who is not normally any of your RB's. PITCH THE DAM BALL ON A SWEEP, TUCK THE BALL AWAY AND ATTACK THE LINEUP OF SCRIMMAGE, PULL UP AND THROW THE BALL DOWNFIELD. It's called a halfback pass.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 6:31 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
What would your attack be to start the game? Playaction deep pass to back the defense up
more shotgun formation? Yes and/or Pistol
what different formations? Pistol or a variation of such. Personally I would line up in the pistol with Copeland next to Mett and Ware behind him. This would add an extra blocker on plays, allow Mett more time to scan the field pre snap, and/or allow us to run out of an Offset-I formation if need be. I would also utilize more wr/rb motion. I would also make more use of a split back formation out of shotgun to get more skill guys/blockers on the field.
faster tempo? Some no huddle to start each half isn't a bad idea if the scripted plays are working.
more play action? Yes
more passes across the middle? Yes. We basically have a bunch of slot receivers (size wise) so we need to utilize that.
more out passes? only if they are quick ones
more inside/outside running? Yes.
more traps? Yes
more option? No. Quick pitch maybe
different personel? I would slide Collins out to tackle and Hurst to LG. At RT I would use either JD or Alexander.
insertion of some "trickeration"?
If only to insert some life into the offense or take advantage of an obvious mismatch. Flea flicker or hb pass maybe.
more shotgun formation? Yes and/or Pistol
what different formations? Pistol or a variation of such. Personally I would line up in the pistol with Copeland next to Mett and Ware behind him. This would add an extra blocker on plays, allow Mett more time to scan the field pre snap, and/or allow us to run out of an Offset-I formation if need be. I would also utilize more wr/rb motion. I would also make more use of a split back formation out of shotgun to get more skill guys/blockers on the field.
faster tempo? Some no huddle to start each half isn't a bad idea if the scripted plays are working.
more play action? Yes
more passes across the middle? Yes. We basically have a bunch of slot receivers (size wise) so we need to utilize that.
more out passes? only if they are quick ones
more inside/outside running? Yes.
more traps? Yes
more option? No. Quick pitch maybe
different personel? I would slide Collins out to tackle and Hurst to LG. At RT I would use either JD or Alexander.
insertion of some "trickeration"?
If only to insert some life into the offense or take advantage of an obvious mismatch. Flea flicker or hb pass maybe.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 6:47 pm to Child of the Missip
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Boom-Shocka-Locka
Posted on 10/9/12 at 6:51 pm to Child of the Missip
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We need a TRUE OC again like Jimbo and that is all, we need a man Les Miles can't walk all over.
True, jimbo's team would never lay an egg in the second half to lose to an inferior opponent...oh, check that....
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:20 pm to itig19
Yea definitely some more screen passes to the RBs especially middle screens. Slip out the TE from time to time. Jacobs seems to being doing well catching the ball. I'm tired of these sideways passes that we can't block the WR and goes for hardly any gain. TE usually stays in to block because we have been pretty bad at keeping pressure off Mett. Having said that, not sure why we don't put him in the gun and chunk it downfield. He is pretty accurate throwing the deep ball. We do have to give him time, but in order to get time you need to get off the deep passes to get the defense out of their 8 man front. I'm not opposed to having the backs in max protect and slip one out every now and then. I just don't see why we don't try to throw deep when we have played teams this year that we were able to block.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:29 pm to Bleeding purple
I was never a Jimbo fan. Oddly, LSU has not had what I consider to be a dynamic offense in a very long time - go back to DiNardo.
LSU's offense is effective when they are bigger, stronger and faster than the defense. Basically, these offenses win via recruiting, strength training and conditioning.
So in a year like this, with multiple injuries to starters, they are not always bigger, stronger and faster, and so the offense sputters.
Some offensive schemes are designed to create mismatches so that teams that cannot out "physical" their opponents can still score points. In baseball this is called small ball.
Right now LSU can't out physical Florida or Carolina. So they better get smarter.
Les?
LSU's offense is effective when they are bigger, stronger and faster than the defense. Basically, these offenses win via recruiting, strength training and conditioning.
So in a year like this, with multiple injuries to starters, they are not always bigger, stronger and faster, and so the offense sputters.
Some offensive schemes are designed to create mismatches so that teams that cannot out "physical" their opponents can still score points. In baseball this is called small ball.
Right now LSU can't out physical Florida or Carolina. So they better get smarter.
Les?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:32 pm to Bleeding purple
There's no shame in using trick plays. CLM acts like using a trick play is only to be used once a year, maybe twice. I say pull out every trick in the book, every d..m game until you have firm control of the game. Then go to running up the gut. When I say trick I mean laterals to WR who throws a pass. Flea flickers, halfback passes(often), double reverses, statue of liberty's, and do these regularly. How would you like to be a DC trying to prepare for all this? With the athletes we have, the college football world would be terrified of this team.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:36 pm to Bleeding purple
Most would play like they can make LSU play on PS3, yo!
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:46 pm to Bleeding purple
"What specifically would you change with the offense and what adjustments would you have made in Fla game specifically?"
Increase the passing percentage to about 30-40%.
Utilize the TE's.
Run RB screens more if rush is a problem.
Use RB hot routes over the middle al la Urban Meyer.
Run more sweeps and/or mis directions as game reaction dictates.
Throw deep at least 3-5 times per game
Utilize every three step drop play I could muster.
Use more play action.
Might even like to try 4 wides every now and then.
You have to make the opposing team defend the more of the field. We also have to quit coddling Mett making him and everyone else afraid to make a mistake. We have to run the variety of offensive plays routinely so when we need them this is not the first time we have done something like that.
If the coaching staff is to afraid to let Mett throw the ball on UF's 5 yd line then they need to put someone else in. I am a Mett and a Miles fan but I would rather see the team trying things and making mistakes than not trying anything. Hell, Payton Manning threw three picks in the first quarter the other night - you didnt see them backing off the game plan.
One thing I forgot... When you are only sending out three receivers against six DB's no wonder Mett looks like a dumb cluck back there holding the ball. Nobody is open!
Increase the passing percentage to about 30-40%.
Utilize the TE's.
Run RB screens more if rush is a problem.
Use RB hot routes over the middle al la Urban Meyer.
Run more sweeps and/or mis directions as game reaction dictates.
Throw deep at least 3-5 times per game
Utilize every three step drop play I could muster.
Use more play action.
Might even like to try 4 wides every now and then.
You have to make the opposing team defend the more of the field. We also have to quit coddling Mett making him and everyone else afraid to make a mistake. We have to run the variety of offensive plays routinely so when we need them this is not the first time we have done something like that.
If the coaching staff is to afraid to let Mett throw the ball on UF's 5 yd line then they need to put someone else in. I am a Mett and a Miles fan but I would rather see the team trying things and making mistakes than not trying anything. Hell, Payton Manning threw three picks in the first quarter the other night - you didnt see them backing off the game plan.
One thing I forgot... When you are only sending out three receivers against six DB's no wonder Mett looks like a dumb cluck back there holding the ball. Nobody is open!
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 7:56 pm to TriumphTiger
The biggest thing that is killing drives right now are sacks, negative plays, and penalties. That is the story this year for the most part. Certainly we have had more injuries than most teams...yes it is unfortunate and quite prevalent during the game, but we should still not ever be held out of the endzone in any game.
Our current offensive line is worse than mediocre...if they aren't letting someone through, they are blowing an assignment or committing a penalty. There seems to be no one willing to actually correct these issues. We keep hearing that these things are correctable in the monday pressers, but nothing is changing from game to game.
Our offense started out ok, got good, then back to ok, then bad, then worse, then non-existent.
Our first drive worked perfectly against UF, then we never made similar calls. How about consistency? If on my couch watching the live version of every game only, I am able to predict what we are going to do about 40% of the time...how do you think coaches and players feel about it on opposing teams after studying film for a week or two? I think they are probably right twice as often at least.
There is never a reason a coach of the o-line should also be the OC...those are the two most important coaches of the offense. That is way too much responsibility for one person...especially one with no previous experience as OC. We are LSU...that means one of the top 5 programs in the country the last 10 years in endowment and accomplishment...we should not be taking flyers on up and coming coaches. We should hire proven guys for every position coach.
Our current offensive line is worse than mediocre...if they aren't letting someone through, they are blowing an assignment or committing a penalty. There seems to be no one willing to actually correct these issues. We keep hearing that these things are correctable in the monday pressers, but nothing is changing from game to game.
Our offense started out ok, got good, then back to ok, then bad, then worse, then non-existent.
Our first drive worked perfectly against UF, then we never made similar calls. How about consistency? If on my couch watching the live version of every game only, I am able to predict what we are going to do about 40% of the time...how do you think coaches and players feel about it on opposing teams after studying film for a week or two? I think they are probably right twice as often at least.
There is never a reason a coach of the o-line should also be the OC...those are the two most important coaches of the offense. That is way too much responsibility for one person...especially one with no previous experience as OC. We are LSU...that means one of the top 5 programs in the country the last 10 years in endowment and accomplishment...we should not be taking flyers on up and coming coaches. We should hire proven guys for every position coach.
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