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Who's offense are we running, and what is it? (scheme question, not complaint)
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:34 am
Not buying into the "it's Mile's offense" conspiracy theory, sorry.
Evidence- Miles has always liked him some mobile QBs, and some ball control. Ok, so this year, we have Mettenberger, a classic dropback-style QB. Right now, we look shaky on offense... perfect time to swap back to the mobile "can run but not a passer" guy, right? Especially with the O-line troubles. So, where is he? You mean to tell me Randall can't run the read-option enough to give us a change-up (a change-up that was a staple of the offense the past several years)? Or Shephard, for that matter? Send in the backup- oh, wait, the backup is Rivers, another dropback guy who can't run. Rivers brings the same thing to the offense Mett does, but (at least for now) apparently he brings less of it than Mett does.
So, forget the performances so far, for a moment. We have a new scheme, new players leading it, and injuries hampering it.
What's the INTENT of the scheme? Pro/I formation, power run with lots of down-field passing?
Evidence- Miles has always liked him some mobile QBs, and some ball control. Ok, so this year, we have Mettenberger, a classic dropback-style QB. Right now, we look shaky on offense... perfect time to swap back to the mobile "can run but not a passer" guy, right? Especially with the O-line troubles. So, where is he? You mean to tell me Randall can't run the read-option enough to give us a change-up (a change-up that was a staple of the offense the past several years)? Or Shephard, for that matter? Send in the backup- oh, wait, the backup is Rivers, another dropback guy who can't run. Rivers brings the same thing to the offense Mett does, but (at least for now) apparently he brings less of it than Mett does.
So, forget the performances so far, for a moment. We have a new scheme, new players leading it, and injuries hampering it.
What's the INTENT of the scheme? Pro/I formation, power run with lots of down-field passing?
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Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:36 am to Scoob
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lots of down-field passing?
where the frick has this been is my question.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:37 am to Scoob
Its a pro style with no play action, screens, or passes over the middle. Basically we have run up the middle with a fullback leading, wait until 3rd and 3 then throw an out route 2 yards shy of the marker. Recipe for success.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:37 am to Scoob
NOBODYfrickINGKNOWS
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:38 am to Chuck U Farley
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Recipe for NEAR success.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:38 am to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:Page 2 of the playbook. When we can execute page 1, we'll move on to page 2.
where the frick has this been is my question.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:40 am to Scoob
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Not buying into the "it's Mile's offense" conspiracy theory, sorry.
We are basically running the same offense except for having a QB that can run. Has anyone seen any development in the passing game that leads them to believe we tried to make changes since 1/9?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:42 am to Scoob
Well, considering we have the same playbook we did a few years ago with NO changes(we still ran an option vs UF), you gotta think we are running what Miles wants to run. And as far as what is it, just watch us play and youll have your answer.
And has Shephard played any QB at LSU? No. Les never gave him an chance to play QB here.
So your argument is since we dont have a running QB, we are running a new scheme? During the whole JJ era, we had to run the option because that was the only play JJ was effective at.
There might be a few tweaks in the scheme and offensive play calling, but we still run the same offense that Les always has run. The Toss dive, wham right, wham left, toss to Ford, Mett checks down to a skinny post or quick slant. Its always been the same.
And has Shephard played any QB at LSU? No. Les never gave him an chance to play QB here.
So your argument is since we dont have a running QB, we are running a new scheme? During the whole JJ era, we had to run the option because that was the only play JJ was effective at.
There might be a few tweaks in the scheme and offensive play calling, but we still run the same offense that Les always has run. The Toss dive, wham right, wham left, toss to Ford, Mett checks down to a skinny post or quick slant. Its always been the same.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:46 am to KG5989
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And has Shephard played any QB at LSU? No. Les never gave him an chance to play QB here.
Actually he did his freshman year, and it was the most effective way he has ever been used. Why we stopped doing it? Apparently it's better to put him at WR exclusively
See for yourself: LINK
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:49 am to UGATiger26
Dont worry i believe you. We used him as wildcat QB. Not permanent QB. Notice at the beginning of that highlight... 0 pass attempts. Thats like saying Ronnie Brown was the QB for the Dolphins when they ran the wildcat. But, I agree with you. Why did we stop using it...?
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:50 am to UGATiger26
he wasn't really playing QB...he was playing option QB. and teams figured that out quickly
hell, most of those highlights were against shite teams like la tech, vandy, and tulane
hell, most of those highlights were against shite teams like la tech, vandy, and tulane
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:54 am to KG5989
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Why did we stop using it...?
Who knows???
It's not just the wildcat in that video.
That video makes me think that 4 years ago, somebody actually knew how to utilize Russell Sheppard. Short passes out the backfield and quick screens. Basically setting him loose and letting him put his speed and talent to work.
No, that would make too much sense. Let's take him, all 5'10 of him and send him 20 yards downfield and throw darts at him, despite the fact that he has never played WR before college.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:55 am to UGATiger26
Who else would consistently run at 7-9 men in the box, refuse to throw up the middle of the field, and would always run plays that fell within their tendencies? I have no idea who else other than Miles.
What ever happened to the drag routes that we used to run? Remember Bowe, Davis, Doucet, and Lafell dragging across the middle? Did we completely forget how to run those plays? What about Bowe on the skinny post?
What ever happened to the drag routes that we used to run? Remember Bowe, Davis, Doucet, and Lafell dragging across the middle? Did we completely forget how to run those plays? What about Bowe on the skinny post?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:56 am to Katy Tiger
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What ever happened to the drag routes that we used to run? Remember Bowe, Davis, Doucet, and Lafell dragging across the middle? Did we completely forget how to run those plays? What about Bowe on the skinny post?
What about the tunnel screen that was our signature play with Jimbo?
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Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:56 am to UGATiger26
Wildcat or not, it was a designed run when he was at QB. And when we had Bowe and Lafell and all them tearing it up was with Jimbo Fisher and, as much as i hate saying his name, Gary Crowton.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 11:58 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:57 am to KG5989
quote:They ran Flynn a fair amount too. Interestingly, they started the Harvard guy ahead of Lee, in part because he could run better (despite throwing like a high-school girl). Until he got killed.
During the whole JJ era, we had to run the option because that was the only play JJ was effective at.
Look, there'a a lot of finger-pointing at Miles for being stubborn right now, and running "his" offense. But we're now running a totally different offense than we ran under JJ. The O-line has injuries, and might have a different scheme than prior seasons... the WRs are in a slump (think baseball; these guys would all be striking out 3-4 times a game the way things are going)... and- NO evidence that Miles is even considering going back to a running QB. Only other QB to see the field is less mobile than Mett. If Rivers is the heir-apparent, then we'll continue to NOT see a mobile QB for the next 3-4 seasons.
I wonder if we're seeing Miles NOT being stubborn right now. That maybe, Kragthorpe has changed the offense, and despite current struggles (which we all see), Miles is continuing to let that offense stay out there, and let it develop. Swapping away from what we did, to what we're now doing, takes a learning curve at the best of times. Doing it with a depleted line on the road in the SEC is extra-tough. But we HAVEN'T seen Miles say "yeah,.. nope. Gonna put Randall in and run the ball now. We're making too many mistakes trying to do this".
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:58 am to Scoob
5-8 yard passes isnt down field passing.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:03 pm to tigerfourlife
Yea we ran Flynn a good amount, but he also passed for 3000 yards that year too. Sorry man, take the goggles off. Its Les offense. Has been and always will be.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:07 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:Well, if you watch the games and understand football, you would know that our QB RARELY has the time it takes to let a WR work down the fied or do a double move. The few times he has had time to let his WR get down the field and a clean enough pocket to actually step up and make a good throw, Mett has thrown some nice deep balls. OBJ has had 2-3 deep balls hit him in the hands.(obviously the wrong place this year)and Shep doesn't have the ball skills to adjust on a deep ball or he would have caught a couple himself. We are PATHETIC at the WR position. We have NO palymakers and no WR that runs good routes and hand-catches the ball. Add to that that we don't have a 6'4"++ guy for redzone passing and our WR core has looked like a joke.
where the frick has this been is my question.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:10 pm to tigerfourlife
quote:Right now it isn't. I fully admit I didn't get to watch the Fla game (working), but in the earlier games we've had some deeper routes that were missed, or dropped, or sacked. Not clicking doesn't mean it isn't there.
5-8 yard passes isnt down field passing.
All I'm saying is this: Randall should have enough physical ability to come in and run "JJ" plays, and our O-line might even be more familiar with blocking assignments in that scheme. Those with any length of time in the program, at least. Yet we've seen NO attempt to "fall back" to that, even as the Mettenberger offense struggles. As I pointed out, the only other QB to see the field is Rivers, meaning thus far at least, the pro-style drop-back QB is the only approach we're taking.
That being the case, then this year was going to be a rebuild regardless- different offense. The injuries, poor blocking and dropsies have made it more painful, but IT SEEMS we're still committed to becoming a passing team.
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