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Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:04 pm to
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:04 pm to
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I hope Jon doesn't die again.


Ok, I know that just about every crackpot theory that one could possibly conceive is already out there somewhere, so I won't say that this is a new one, but...

I was thinking, did Jon's death and his impending resurrection by Mel serve another purpose other than giving Jon an out to leave the Night's Watch and go wreck shite in Westeros? Lots of people (self included) believe the LS+RT theory which obviously makes Jon a Targ. BUT, Jon is not immune to fire like Dany, which puts a major dent in the idea of him being a dragon rider. GRRM goes to great lengths to remind us that Jon burned his hand. He also spent a huge chunk of time with Quentyn showing that simply having Targ blood isn't enough to keep you from being burned to a crisp (not to mention Viserys).
SO, do y'all think that it's possible that being brought back by R'hllor fixes that?
Posted by Analyze That
ThereAndBackAgain
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:14 pm to
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I was thinking, did Jon's death and his impending resurrection by Mel serve another purpose other than giving Jon an out to leave the Night's Watch and go wreck shite in Westeros? Lots of people (self included) believe the LS+RT theory which obviously makes Jon a Targ. BUT, Jon is not immune to fire like Dany, which puts a major dent in the idea of him being a dragon rider. GRRM goes to great lengths to remind us that Jon burned his hand. He also spent a huge chunk of time with Quentyn showing that simply having Targ blood isn't enough to keep you from being burned to a crisp (not to mention Viserys).
SO, do y'all think that it's possible that being brought back by R'hllor fixes that?



Actually, there are many who believe that Val will bring him back as she may be an Old Gods priestess. This is based upon things such as her wierwood mask pin, Dalla's wisdom regarding magic, Tormund's ancient runic arm rings that may mark him as a priest as well as his consumption of mead as part of some customary rites, how easily she gets along with Ghost, and how despite how beautiful she is no man has stolen her yet, as it may be believed by the freefolk that she chooses who may steal her, after all Jarl was only refered to as her latest pet.

It is theorized that she is an agent of Bloodraven and BR will be guiding Jon Snow into Ghost when he "dies"/grievously injured. Dalla acting as an agent of BR will bring him back. Some connect this to Theon dying/being sacrificed in front of the weirwood tree in Winterfell, just like the vision Bran had after eating the wierwood paste.


Well it's just a theory, and Jon was just outside Val's tower or more specifically Hardin's Tower.
Posted by Analyze That
ThereAndBackAgain
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:25 pm to
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I was thinking, did Jon's death and his impending resurrection by Mel serve another purpose other than giving Jon an out to leave the Night's Watch and go wreck shite in Westeros? Lots of people (self included) believe the LS+RT theory which obviously makes Jon a Targ. BUT, Jon is not immune to fire like Dany, which puts a major dent in the idea of him being a dragon rider. GRRM goes to great lengths to remind us that Jon burned his hand. He also spent a huge chunk of time with Quentyn showing that simply having Targ blood isn't enough to keep you from being burned to a crisp (not to mention Viserys).
SO, do y'all think that it's possible that being brought back by R'hllor fixes that?



Ahh, but Jon has something no one else in the series has. He has the Blood of the First Men and Old Valyria flowing in equal parts through his body. And unlike Dany, Jon is a skinchanger, so it's open to possibility that he may warg Drogon, Rhaegal, or Visyrion.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8601 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:15 am to
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BUT, Jon is not immune to fire like Dany, which puts a major dent in the idea of him being a dragon rider.


Dany isn't immune to fire, she actually burns her hands at one point in the series. The dragons being born was due to the blood magic with her burning the witch and her hubby.

For further confirmation, a couple quotes from GRRM:

In 2000 GRRM wrote in an online Q&A (emphasis is his, not mine):

Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?
George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.
Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?
George_RR_Martin: Probably not.

And, in 1998 he wrote:
"Lastly, some fans are reading too much into the scene in GAME OF THRONES where the dragons are born -- which is to say, it was never the case that all Targaryens are immune to all fire at all times."

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