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Posted on 12/29/13 at 12:05 am to
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 12:05 am to
Has anyone found/thought of any significance of "where do whores go?" I think I'm on to something. Don't want to say anything yet until I have more information.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:10 am to
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Has anyone found/thought of any significance of "where do whores go?"


IMO
she is still in play

& that is his true wife, not Sana
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 2:11 am
Posted by Analyze That
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:17 am to
Could be she is one of Dany's children
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 3:00 am to
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Has anyone found/thought of any significance of "where do whores go?" I think I'm on to something. Don't want to say anything yet until I have more information.


I read something intriguing awhile back. Basically it was theory that Littlefinger knows where Tysha is (because let's be frank, whores do go to Littlefinger after all) and that in order to get Sansa's marriage to Tyrion annulled since Tyrion isn't dead that he's going to trot Tysha (or possibly a fake Tysha) out there to do just that.

There's some questions as to whether Tywin legitimately had Tyrion and Tysha's marriage annulled since we find out along the way that it has to be annulled by a High Septon and it has to be initiated by one of the people in the marriage.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:47 am to
That's a great theory that I never thought about. It always seemed weird to me that Littlefinger was planning on Tyrion's death to get the marriage annulled; but bringing Tysha back into the picture makes a lot more sense, especially for Littlefinger. Although I think Littlefinger wants to eventually marry Sansa; kill HtH somehow and then marry "fragile" Sansa. But I think Sansa is going to thwart his plans somehow.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 10:55 am to
It's also a way to do it without Sansa having to reveal herself as well. I think initially he banked on Tyrion dying, but that Tysha may have been plan B.
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:09 am to
Exactly; Littlefinger, while not as into backup plans like Doran Martell, more than likely has another plan in mind in case Tyrion doesn't die (and Tyrion has the most plot armor out of any character in the whole series, unfortunately).

I'm also wondering if that may be in the controversial TWoW Sansa chapter. Or what if she wargs Sweetrobin?! That would be crazy. And I've been wondering what her reaction to the Hound raiding Saltpans would be; would she be in disbelief like Jaime, or would she come to believe that her untraditional knight in shining armor did it?
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:23 am to
What characters are most likely to die in WoW?
Imo
Stannis
Brienne
Cersei?

Most major characters will make it to aDoS
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:34 am to
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What characters are most likely to die in WoW?
Imo
Stannis
Brienne
Cersei?

Most major characters will make it to aDoS


Aren't there technically 20 POV characters who are still alive? Not sure if GRRM will use all 20 characters in TWoW, but I think anywhere between 5-10 of them will die in TWoW.

Stannis, Cersei, Brienne will die in TWoW. But I also think Roose, Ramsay, and Walder Frey will die in it as well (even though they're not POV characters).

Theon will die in TWoW, I'm convinced; Asha too (her ADWD chapter mentions 'peaches', which=death). I'm sure that minor POV characters like Areo Hotah and Damphair will die. JonCon with his greyscale is doomed to die as well; and I think Arianne will die somehow. Oh and Melisandre too and I think either/or/both Barristan and Victarion will die in TWoW.

I don't picture Jaime dying until ADoS, but I think Cersei will die before he does; her arc is basically done/her time is running out.


Basically with all of those death predictions we'd only have around 10 POV characters for ADoS.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:37 am to
Selmy makes it back to Kings Landing before dying. It is known.
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 1:04 pm to
Well the reason I'm asking is, the Septon that married Tyrion and Tysha, I think he is the Septon at the Wall.

Tywin had to have sent him there. And Tyrion said that he had no problem getting to Septon to marry them because he was drunk and when Jon was getting his assignment as a brother of the nights watch it said he had noticed the Septon and was sober for a change.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 1:07 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 1:15 pm to
Nice pickup. Could definitely come into play.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 1:46 pm to
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Most major characters will make it to aDoS


I think that more characters will die in WoW than any other book.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 1:53 pm to
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Basically with all of those death predictions we'd only have around 10 POV characters for ADoS.


I think it'd be shorter if I said POV characters I think will make it to ADOS:

Tyrion
Dany
Arya
Sansa
Bran
Jon
Jaime
Asha
Arianne
Sam
Davos
Posted by Analyze That
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:13 pm to
Do you think Faegon or Varys will get a POV?
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:13 pm to
No
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:17 pm to
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Tyrion
Dany
Arya
Sansa
Bran
Jon
Jaime
Asha
Arianne
Sam
Davos

Yeah, that sounds right to me, about 11 POV chapters for ADoS. And I imagine a few of those (i.e. Arianne, Jaime, Asha, Davos, Arya, Dany) have the potential to die sometime during ADoS.


Oh and I definitely think TWoW is going to be a bloodbath. I agree with you in that it's going to have the most character deaths (POV and non-POV alike) out of all the books so far, even compared to ASoS it'll have more deaths. I think ADoS will have some major non-POV character deaths, like Varys and Littlefinger, but I imagine that of the 11 POV characters you named for ADoS that at least half of them will survive the whole series.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'd respect GRRM a lot more if he kills off Tyrion sometime in ADoS, but I'd say Tyrion has the most plot armor in ASOIAF.

ETA: In response to Cosmo and AnalyzeThat, the only way Varys gets a POV is if he's a Prologue or Epilogue character, aka going to die first thing/last thing in a book.

My bets are Stannis is the Epilogue in TWoW. No clue for ADoS. I think Bran may be the Epilogue for ADoS.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:22 pm to
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Do you think Faegon or Varys will get a POV?


Faegon almost certainly won't. I think Arianne will be our eyes in King's Landing once Cersei is eliminated, and once Jon Con dies from grey scale or is killed by Varys once he figures out that Aegon isn't who he thinks he is. Definitely think Jon Con will also die knowing that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's true heir, and ironically die thinking that he was his name's stake and the one he should have been protecting.

If Varys does get one, it will be an Epilogue for ADOS.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 2:34 pm
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 3:35 pm to
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Faegon almost certainly won't. I think Arianne will be our eyes in King's Landing once Cersei is eliminated, and once Jon Con dies from grey scale or is killed by Varys once he figures out that Aegon isn't who he thinks he is. Definitely think Jon Con will also die knowing that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's true heir, and ironically die thinking that he was his name's stake and the one he should have been protecting.

If Varys does get one, it will be an Epilogue for ADOS.


Once again, I agree with you on all of this. Arianne will put her whore powers to work and seal a marriage alliance with Faegon. However, I think it's going to bite her in the arse once the Others head south and Dany lands. I don't see her surviving the series.

I wonder if Doran knew that he was sending Quentyn on a suicide mission and that Doran was positioning Trystane to be his heir by eliminating Quentyn and Arianne from the succession (risking Quentyn to die in Essos, and Arianne being Queen would eliminate her from inheriting Dorne). Plus Doran knows that Arianne is hot headed like Oberyn was...and look at what happened to Oberyn going to King's Landing. Death. Elia died there too. I don't see why Arianne would be any different.

I also think the Tyrells are going to attempt to switch sides again, depending on what happens in Margaery's trial. Or perhaps Randyll Tarly and the Hightowers decide to go rogue against their liege lord and declare for Faegon.

Oh, and I think Varys will kill JonCon one he's of no use to him anymore. I could see Varys doing what he did to Kevan, except change the facts around:

-He told Kevan that Aegon was alive and well, being groomed for power; on the flip slide, he'll tell JonCon that Aegon is in fact a fake, or a Blackfyre, or Brightflame, and that the real heir is Jon Snow (although, I have no clue how Varys would find out about R+L=J). I could very well see JonCon dying from his greyscale too. It's just a matter of figuring out how Jon will prove his parentage to the Realm, or how this information would be revealed from the Wall to Dorne.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 4:03 pm to
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Oh, and I think Varys will kill JonCon one he's of no use to him anymore. I could see Varys doing what he did to Kevan, except change the facts around: -He told Kevan that Aegon was alive and well, being groomed for power; on the flip slide, he'll tell JonCon that Aegon is in fact a fake, or a Blackfyre, or Brightflame, and that the real heir is Jon Snow (although, I have no clue how Varys would find out about R+L=J). I could very well see JonCon dying from his greyscale too. It's just a matter of figuring out how Jon will prove his parentage to the Realm, or how this information would be revealed from the Wall to Dorne.


I think that JonCon will figure both things out on his own. Not sure how he figures out that Aegon is the Mummer's Dragon, but I think I know how he'll figure out Jon's heritage. Jon will send a plea from the Wall saying that it has fallen and the Westeros will soon be engulfed in darkness from the Others. JonCon will read it, and remember the prophesies of old, of the PtwP and Azor Ahai. He will remember Rhaegar taking his love Lyanna to the Tower of Joy and that Ned matched back North with this so-called bastard. He'll solve it, and maybe get the info to one person (which would be great if it were Jaime), but Varys has him killed before he can spread it any further. He'll drop his facade to JonCon and tell him exactly what he is planning,, and promises that he will now target both of Rhaegar's legacies (Jon and Dany). Will be either the final or second to last chapter.
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