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Holder: Five position battles to watch at camp.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:48 pm
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1. Running back - Chris Ivory vs. Travaris Cadet
The conventional thought entering training camp was how on earth could the Saints be able to share the running game wealth among the stable of running backs like Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram and Ivory. Who would have thought another undrafted rookie free agent would make you think twice about one of the four backs?
Actually, it shouldn't be as much of a surprise as this scenario seems to occur every year during and after training camp.
Here are the abilities Cadet has displayed through the last couple of weeks: he can run the ball, he can catch out of the backfield (his 14 preseason catches leads the Saints), he has decent pass protection skills and he can be used as a returner (a 21-yard punt return and a 28-yard kick return). Cadet has shown the Saints that he can be more diverse than Ivory and he even saw carries with the first-team offense before Ivory.
Ivory probably still stands as the favorite to hold onto the fourth running back spot with Cadet being a practice squad candidate. But Ivory also struggled with holding onto the football at times during training camp practices with multiple lost fumbles. Don't look past this battle.
LINK
Like Larry I think Ivory still has the advantage, but I've been shaking my head watching him this pre-season. I'm not talking about playing behind a crappy 2nd/3rd string o-line. I'm not talking about when he get's hit in the backfield.
I'm talking about when he has adequate blocking and he just wants to unload on a defender and picks up 2 yards. I know that style has worked for him in the past, but if he wants a future in this league he's going to need to diversify.
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Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:53 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:agreed, Cadet does more things well then Ivory, most importantly might be pass protection, we are very predictable when Ivory is in the game because of his poor pass blocking skills.
I'm talking about when he has adequate blocking and he just wants to unload on a defender and picks up 2 yards. I know that style has worked for him in the past, but if he wants a future in this league he's going to need to diversify.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:59 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Like Larry I think Ivory still has the advantage, but I've been shaking my head watching him this pre-season. I'm not talking about playing behind a crappy 2nd/3rd string o-line. I'm not talking about when he get's hit in the backfield
Honestly I'm ready to move on from Ivory. He just cant be counted on to stay healthy and hold onto the ball.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 1:48 pm to Patrick O Rly
Unless he plays special teams or one of our top 3 gets hurt, our fourth running back will be inactive every game this season.
This is something to consider during this evaluation...
This is something to consider during this evaluation...
Posted on 8/12/12 at 2:20 pm to Patrick O Rly
The WR battle is the most interesting. I'm curious to see if Saints cut a veteran for a younger guy. Like cut Henderson so Morgan can take his spot.
Morgan looked great last year. I'm not impressed with him at all so far this year. I've noticed him getting thrown around on his routes too.
Will the Saints cut such a high pick in Toon before he ever got the ability to show something?
Arrington needs to be cut. Seriously. This dude is the ultimate practice warrior who never shows ANYTHING on the field. And you tap him and his vag bleeds. Injury prone. It's time to move on from him.
Tanner is the most consistent, so he might get a spot.
Roby is the ultimate preseason warrior. Always looks good in preseason, never sees any meaningful snaps during the season outside ST. He'll probably get a spot.
That's a big jam to deal with...
Morgan looked great last year. I'm not impressed with him at all so far this year. I've noticed him getting thrown around on his routes too.
Will the Saints cut such a high pick in Toon before he ever got the ability to show something?
Arrington needs to be cut. Seriously. This dude is the ultimate practice warrior who never shows ANYTHING on the field. And you tap him and his vag bleeds. Injury prone. It's time to move on from him.
Tanner is the most consistent, so he might get a spot.
Roby is the ultimate preseason warrior. Always looks good in preseason, never sees any meaningful snaps during the season outside ST. He'll probably get a spot.
That's a big jam to deal with...
Posted on 8/12/12 at 2:25 pm to Patrick O Rly
That link was interesting. WR is the battle everyone should watch, IMO.
I don't get the praise for Cadet either. So, he's a little versatile so far. He hasn't shown shite in the run game though. Not enough, IMO. Ivory is a truck to take down but his fumble problems are a concern. Injuries too.
PT is the best screen back and Sproles is also a good receiver. Ingram is a power back and Ivory is his replacement. I don't see Cadet making this team unless he makes huge strides in the run game. All four of our current backs compliment each other. Who would Cadet replace? He seems like a ok WR but he doesn't show a lot of speed or power...
I don't get the praise for Cadet either. So, he's a little versatile so far. He hasn't shown shite in the run game though. Not enough, IMO. Ivory is a truck to take down but his fumble problems are a concern. Injuries too.
PT is the best screen back and Sproles is also a good receiver. Ingram is a power back and Ivory is his replacement. I don't see Cadet making this team unless he makes huge strides in the run game. All four of our current backs compliment each other. Who would Cadet replace? He seems like a ok WR but he doesn't show a lot of speed or power...
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