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10 games... knew it would be extreme... ridiculous..

The FA is a hypocritical joke... They really make Roger Goodell look sensible



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Not too surprised with that





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Seems fair to me.





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thankfully, 4 of those are on this lost season...

I'm really not surprised at all either, but I was starting to think after the dust settled it would be in the 6-8 range... though I felt 4 was fair...






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Article by Carragher on the matter:

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Luis was wrong, but before we hound him out let's remember there have been other Liverpool legends who were not exactly saints

By JAMIE CARRAGHER

Before you carry on reading, it is important to make this point: this is not me trying to defend the indefensible.

This is an attempt to put some perspective on the Luis Suarez saga.

It was said in the aftermath of Sunday’s game against Chelsea, firstly by Graeme Souness as he began his analysis on Sky, that nobody is bigger than the club and that Liverpool should make Luis pay the heaviest penalty by getting rid of him.

Now I am not for one moment trying to sugar-coat the incident in which Luis bit Branislav Ivanovic. It was wrong on all levels. You simply don’t expect to see a grown man bite another grown man — that is behaviour you would associate with nursery school.

But the way things are now being pitched is that Liverpool have got to do something about the rotten apple in their midst.

It is as if Luis is the only player to have represented Liverpool who has ever been embroiled in controversy.

That simply isn’t the case.

We have had it many times before, as have every other club in the country.

I know this as I was responsible for one incident in January 2002. I threw a coin into the crowd at Highbury during an FA Cup tie against Arsenal after one had initially been flung at me.

Souness, who was captain of Liverpool at the time, broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest’s Lica Movila during a European Cup semi-final in 1984 when he punched him in an off-the-ball incident.

It was a serious incident but it is one which fans and some of his old team-mates speak almost nostalgically about.

Robbie Fowler had his scrapes, too. There was outrage after he celebrated a goal against Everton in April 1999 by mimicking drug taking. A couple of months earlier he was hugely condemned when he taunted Graeme Le Saux with a homophobic gesture.

Jan Molby was sent to jail in October 1988 for three months for a drink-driving offence.

More recently, Steven Gerrard appeared in court charged with affray but was subsequently found not guilty.

Every one of the players I mention regretted what happened and Luis is the same. More importantly, the club stood by every one of them.

Luis is normally a bubbly lad around the training ground. He tends to mix mainly with the other South Americans in the group but he is well liked all around because he has a fantastic attitude to his job and just loves playing football.

'I'd rather be bitten than have my leg broken'

In my time at Liverpool, very few players have possessed an appetite to win the same as mine but Luis has got it. He trains well every day. When we get a day off, he will come in to do extra work and there is nothing arrogant or flash about him. He slots into the group without problem.

Yesterday, however, it was clear that events had taken a toll. Luis knows he has done something seriously wrong, letting himself down. He has been told that a repeat of such behaviour will not be tolerated and the club’s stance has been different from how it was following his altercation with Patrice Evra.

But, rather than hounding him out of the country, shouldn’t we be helping him?

We have a top psychologist in Steve Peters who comes to the club once a week and he could have as big a role as our manager, Brendan Rodgers, for Luis.

Ian Ayre has stated that the club are not looking to sell Luis. History shows that message has always been the same.

What happened when Tony Adams was released from jail in February 1991 after serving a sentence for drink- driving? He went back to captain Arsenal and won eight major honours.

Look at Eric Cantona.

Less than eight months after returning from his eight-month ban for an assault on Crystal Palace fan Matthew Simmons, he had inspired Manchester United to the Double. It is selfish but clubs need their best players.

As Martin Samuel said in his column yesterday, perhaps if a player of lesser ability had been guilty of Luis’s offence, he would have been shown the door by now. Again, a precedent at Anfield has already been set.

During the Hillsborough memorial service in 2009, Charles Itandje and Damien Plessis were caught laughing and messing around. Itandje, a third-choice keeper with a terrible attitude, was banished immediately.

Plessis, who was viewed as being a player of promise, was admonished but stayed. Morally you could say such standards are wrong but it happens in any walk of life, not just football. If someone is exceptional at what they do, many people are prepared to put up with them regardless of the hassle they may cause.

People may say this is a Liverpool-biased opinion but I don’t want to see another world-class player leave the Barclays Premier League, like Xabi Alonso, Cristiano Ronaldo and Cesc Fabregas have.

We are talking about one of the top five players in world football here.

Finally, I would like to finish by putting forward a thought from a footballer’s perspective about the incident.

The bite was shocking, no question, and everyone who has seen it was amazed. Yet was it worse than a challenge that could end someone’s career?

I know what it is like to have your leg broken by a reckless tackle. Lucas Neill cost me six months of my career in September 2003 when he played for Blackburn. Would I have preferred to have been bitten? Absolutely.

I suspect that Branislav Ivanovic, who has conducted himself with great credit in the aftermath, would agree.

You can get up and carry on after a skirmish. If someone shatters your leg, you wonder whether you will play again.






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5-7 is fair to me. 4 is too little and 10 is extreme. Whatever. This is the same governing body that let Aguero go unpunished last week after a deliberate two-footed stomp on David Luiz. So it's not like I expected a reasonable decision.





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It is what it is.

Time to move on. Luis, we'll see you in September!






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I hope there are some early cup games in there to pad the blow...





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It is a joke that Aguero didn't get anything. The FA is clearly being more harsh to Suarez but he hasn't helped himself get the benefit of the doubt.





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- Sturridge played like a man possessed. He was fricking awesome.


He should have started IMO.






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Meanwhile, Suarez's fellow Uruguayan Gus Poyet, the Brighton manager, has hit out at what he said was "hypocrisy" in the way the Liverpool player was treated.


Poyet, who has staunchly defended his compatriot in the past, said he believed Suarez was a victim of double standards, saying: "There are players who have done terrible things, apologised after two minutes and have been portrayed as a hero for apologising quickly.


"Luis Suarez apologises immediately and nobody believes the apology. It's sad. Are they living their personal lives by the same rules? I don't like that. There is plenty of hypocrisy in football now."


He said he believed the bite incident had been blown out of proportion, adding that it had done "no harm really" and that bad challenges were worse but seen differently.


"If a player goes over the top of the ball and tries to break a leg? That's good because we are strong and we like the tackle," Poyet explained. "That's where we are in England. I know where I am living, and I adapt and I live with it.


"Luis knows what he has done, he knows he shouldn't do it and it would be better for him, of course, not to have any more issues this year."


He said that, if he were the forward's manager, "I would take him with me somewhere else, to any other country" and added: "If everybody is against him, he will leave."




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Finally, I would like to finish by putting forward a thought from a footballer’s perspective about the incident.

The bite was shocking, no question, and everyone who has seen it was amazed. Yet was it worse than a challenge that could end someone’s career?

I know what it is like to have your leg broken by a reckless tackle. Lucas Neill cost me six months of my career in September 2003 when he played for Blackburn. Would I have preferred to have been bitten? Absolutely.

I suspect that Branislav Ivanovic, who has conducted himself with great credit in the aftermath, would agree.

You can get up and carry on after a skirmish. If someone shatters your leg, you wonder whether you will play again.






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He got a seven-match one when he did it at Ajax. You should've known it was going to be more than that.





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An FA official has already come out and said that the suspension in the Netherlands can have zero bearing on the FA's decision. The same idea that a US court wouldn't make a ruling based on a Mexican court or the NBA wouldn't make a ruling based on the Argentinian or French league's ruling.

Different rules, different precedents set, etc.

The fact is there is no precedent in England for biting a player. Furthermore, much more "violent" charges have resulted in lesser bans. Standard punishment is 3 matches, and for Suarez to have been punished more than three times the standard punishment, you would think he would have seriously injured someone.

Liverpool will appeal, as they should (standard proceedings - nothing to do with PR), and hopefully it will be lessened a couple games. Summed up well by a Telegraph contributor:

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Luis Suárez’s challenge to the Football Association’s call for an extended ban should be seen entirely in the context of legal compulsion rather than another public relations own goal.



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I think we all knew it was going to be excessive, its the FA...

But, I was at least hoping calmer heads would have prevailed and looked at it justly...

What happened in Holland is kinda irrelevant to me (not entirely), its a different governing body, and i would think they would follow the guidelines they have set forth with other violent conduct charges in England






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the thing that pisses me off about their appeal process is this notion that the ban can be extended...





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I know the FA is going to say that the Netherlands decision has nothing to do with theirs...but think about it. Do you think that he was going to get less this time? I'm almost 100% positive the fact this was the second time he's done this played a part in the suspension.

But I will agree that the FA is terribly inconsistent and biased against non-English players...and it goes past just Suarez, #witchhunt.

Moral of the story, kids: Don't bite anyone. Coming close to snapping legs on tackles is just part of the game. Never get your mouth involved.






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Can Suarez start his suspension while appealing? I figure Pool would rather these last few meaningless games be part of any suspension as opposed to him playing and then starting next season on the sidelines.





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part me also think that since there are 4 "meaningless" games left for LFC this year, they wanted to make it "count" next year... which is punishing the club and not the player...

cue the black helicopters..

I know, maybe its just me...






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Yes.





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But I will agree that the FA is terribly inconsistent and biased against non-English players...and it goes past just Suarez, #witchhunt.

Moral of the story, kids: Don't bite anyone. Coming close to snapping legs on tackles is just part of the game. Never get your mouth involved.


I agree with you but still Suarez(read Satan) is still the most wanted man.




I don't think you'll really change my mind to much but reckless & harmful challenges will always be worse IMO than biting.

To me the biting is equivalent to a childish temper tantrum and is completely embarrassing to the player, fans & club but no where on par to harmful challenges or stuff like this or Kun's two footed plunge.

And I believe this whole ordeal has been blown out of proportion. It is between Ivanovic & Suarez, Chelsea & Liverpool, Liverpool & Suarez and everybody else should GFY & GTFO


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part me also think that since there are 4 "meaningless" games left for LFC this year, they wanted to make it "count" next year... which is punishing the club and not the player...


Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner.



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