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Posted on 1/6/13 at 3:41 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 1/6/13 at 4:18 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Are we gonna have to have story time beast?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 4:37 pm to TFTC
From that article...
Wow.
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Suárez remains such a tricky opponent because of his sheer persistence and determination – he has recorded 123 shots in the Premier League this season, 34 more than any other player.
Wow.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 5:47 pm to TheZaba
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:50 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Good grief. Everyone is trying to have Suarez burned at the stake after his goal today.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:32 am to JLock
Apparently, Napoli came in for Coates yesterday and we turned them down... they want cover for banned Cannavaro
Oughta offer loan swaps for the season.... Him for Vargas
Hearing WBA is most likely loan destination... Clarke likes him (only if we bring in cover)
Oughta offer loan swaps for the season.... Him for Vargas
Hearing WBA is most likely loan destination... Clarke likes him (only if we bring in cover)
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 6:36 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:45 am to JLock
Yea it's absurd. Blatant hypocrisy in many cases.
It's clear the goal should have been disallowed. Whether Suarez did it on purpose or not is irrelevant. He did his job in the most basic sense of the word: scoring a goal.
Anything less than that would have been a tragedy in my opinion. You play to win the game.
Furthermore, I would have been beside myself had he told the ref to disallow the goal. I in no way see that as "admirable" like so many others. It would have been an injustice to the club and fans. Not only that, but nobody should expect him to do the "admirable" thing in that situation. Does a defender call the ref over when he takes someone down in the box and a pen isn't given? Does a keeper run over to the ref and tell him to allow a goal that crossed the line but wasn't awarded? Does an attacker call himself offside when he scores a goal from an illegal position? The answer is no and none of those are inherently worse than what Suarez did.
The fallacy of "good" and "bad" cheating gets on my nerves. It is intellectually unfounded, and is hypocritical in many ways.
It's clear the goal should have been disallowed. Whether Suarez did it on purpose or not is irrelevant. He did his job in the most basic sense of the word: scoring a goal.
Anything less than that would have been a tragedy in my opinion. You play to win the game.
Furthermore, I would have been beside myself had he told the ref to disallow the goal. I in no way see that as "admirable" like so many others. It would have been an injustice to the club and fans. Not only that, but nobody should expect him to do the "admirable" thing in that situation. Does a defender call the ref over when he takes someone down in the box and a pen isn't given? Does a keeper run over to the ref and tell him to allow a goal that crossed the line but wasn't awarded? Does an attacker call himself offside when he scores a goal from an illegal position? The answer is no and none of those are inherently worse than what Suarez did.
The fallacy of "good" and "bad" cheating gets on my nerves. It is intellectually unfounded, and is hypocritical in many ways.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 6:53 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:54 am to LSUSOBEAST1
It's ridiculous... People just want no pile on... He has stopped going down easy and hasn't given a reason for people to say anything bad about him until now... Now, he swindled poor Mansfield Town out of a replay...
If you listen to BR, he says the refs saw it deemed it unintentional and allowed the goal, which I find bizarre
If you listen to BR, he says the refs saw it deemed it unintentional and allowed the goal, which I find bizarre
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:01 am to TFTC
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If you listen to BR, he says the refs saw it deemed it unintentional and allowed the goal, which I find bizarre
There's an argument to be had there due to the wording of the laws of the game.
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Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
I personally think it should have been disallowed, deliberate or not. But that's not on Suarez - players don't officiate themselves.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:28 am to LSUSOBEAST1
by the letter of the law, you're right and it makes sense... in the spirit of the law I agree that it should have been disallowed...
Who knows how we play different if up only 1-0 and if the outcome is the same?? I do think they deserved a replay and a chance to come and experience Anfield
Who knows how we play different if up only 1-0 and if the outcome is the same?? I do think they deserved a replay and a chance to come and experience Anfield
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:31 am to TFTC
Here is another one... I saw the clip with this commentary though... The commentator says it during the replay...
Tony Barrett ?@TonyBarretTimes
I was at Mansfield so didn't hear the TV commentary but ESPN have spoken to Jon Champion after he described Luis Suarez as "a cheat".
Tony Barrett ?@TonyBarretTimes
I was at Mansfield so didn't hear the TV commentary but ESPN have spoken to Jon Champion after he described Luis Suarez as "a cheat".
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ESPN have issued a statement regarding the comments Jon Champion made about Suarez.
“We take our responsibility to deliver the highest standards of coverage to our viewers. ESPN’s editorial policy is for commentators to be unbiased and honest, to call things as they see them. Inevitably this can involve treading a fine line on occasion, especially in the heat of the moment. Comments during the Mansfield v Liverpool match caused offence where none was intended and we have spoken to our commentator about this incident.”
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 7:44 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:36 am to TFTC
Good on ESPN. I'm sure Champion is an upstanding citizen who never breaks rules. If he runs a red light, I'm positive he immediately reports himself to the police.
I'm sure he has never played park-level football and been the beneficiary of cheating.
I'm sure he has never played park-level football and been the beneficiary of cheating.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:41 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:43 am to TFTC
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 7:54 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:18 am to JLock
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Good grief. Everyone is trying to have Suarez burned at the stake after his goal today.
From Sky Sports Article, "In Defense of Suarez":
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The key word here is 'deliberate'. Not even the most myopic Liverpool supporter would attempt to claim that the ball did not strike Suarez's hand. But is there 'movement of the hand towards the ball'? Not conclusively.
This is why referee Andre Marriner was absolutely correct to allow the goal to stand, and why Suarez does not deserve the current round of condemnation. This is not a Diego Maradona or Thierry Henry moment.
[...]
Given his past indiscretions, there have been suggestions that Suarez should have intervened, held his hands up (sorry) to what had occurred and then basked in the positive Public Relations glory of his own Paolo Di Canio moment.
But why on earth should he? There is no obvious or deliberate intent to handle the ball, the referee and his assistant were well placed to make a judgement and even the opposition have admitted they would have accepted similar good fortune had the situation been reversed. The Monday headlines then would probably read 'Lucky Mansfield' rather than 'Cheat Suarez'.
[...]
At present, there are far too many in the game - be they officials, players, managers, commentators, pundits or supporters - of the baffling belief that an indiscretion has occurred whenever there is contact between the ball and a player's hand. We've all seen penalties awarded in ridiculous circumstances when an unwitting defender has the temerity to be stood around 30cm away when a ball is blasted at high speed against their arm.
Perhaps some re-education is required at all levels so that those who insist on demanding that a spot-kick or free-kick be awarded regardless of the circumstances gain a greater awareness of the rules, and perhaps the time has come for certain individuals not to be castigated purely because of their sins of the past.
I think all of this pretty much explains the reactions of most of those that outraged by the goal due to the blind hate of our talismanic striker. Their schtick is getting very old and it's time they move on past their own hypocrisy.
We as reds can see this for one yes because the homer in us wants to but more importantly we aren't confined by our blind hatred of the player like many others are so when we see brilliance or something as accidental they only see it as being lucky or cheating.
I started liking this club because of Torres, Gerrard & Alonso but as of right now I wouldn't trade Luiz for anyone, baggage and all.
Well maybe Messi, purely a fantasy, and I know y'all would probably say the same
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This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:56 am to McRebel42
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He looked sheepish enough not to repeat the claim of his fellow South American Diego Maradona that it was the work of God but you didn't have to be a supporter of Mansfield to believe that he had come off the bench with diabolical intent.
Liverpool reckoned, correctly, that Suarez was by far their most potent means of putting down a furious onslaught from their non-league opponents but when he controlled the ball illegally before scoring his team's second goal he confirmed his status as arguably the most dazzling but troubling enigma ever to arrive in English football.
Once again, and after one of the most brilliant phases of his extraordinary career, he showed that for some men, however uncomplicated their gifts, doing the right thing, as opposed to simply gaining any kind of advantage, is the most difficult of challenges.
LINK
The title:
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James Lawton: The hand of God? No, this was a diabolical act from Luis Suarez that cast a shadow over the FA Cup
Pathetic journalism.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:03 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Today we should all be talking about the promise of Daniel Sturridge (couldve had a couple more) and what he will bring to the club... not this BS...
Excited about him and Luis lining up together against ManUre!!
Excited about him and Luis lining up together against ManUre!!
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:08 am to TFTC
Howard Webb appointed referee for the match.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:16 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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Howard Webb appointed referee for the match
We're boned already, then.
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