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LSU's inside zone toss play
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:00 am
The 2011 offense relied heavily on this play. My understanding is that this play was, and might still be, called so often is that it basically guarantees positive yardage, however slight.
It seems like even when the defense knows it's coming, they can't afford to sacrifice more bodies on the perimeter to stuff the middle, because the zone blocking scheme allows the hole to form based on where the defense is and is not when the running back hits the line of scrimmage.
My question to you all is whether you foresee us relying on this play once again in 2012. IMO, Mett's passing ability will call for more true handoffs in that it will sell play action, whereas a quick toss does not.
It seems like even when the defense knows it's coming, they can't afford to sacrifice more bodies on the perimeter to stuff the middle, because the zone blocking scheme allows the hole to form based on where the defense is and is not when the running back hits the line of scrimmage.
My question to you all is whether you foresee us relying on this play once again in 2012. IMO, Mett's passing ability will call for more true handoffs in that it will sell play action, whereas a quick toss does not.
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Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:02 am to Rooco
Are you referring to the dive that instead of being handed off is tossed?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:02 am to Rooco
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My understanding is that this play was, and might still be, called so often is that it basically guarantees positive yardage, however slight.
I thought they called it in short yardage because it basically allowed the QB to do a quick 180 after the pitch and "occupy" backside pursuit.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:04 am to ATLTiger
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I thought they called it in short yardage because it basically allowed the QB to do a quick 180 after the pitch and "occupy" backside pursuit.
I always thought this was strange about the play. QB12 or 9 would pitch and then bow up to the defensive end, but never actually block. I guess just the sight of a potential blocker makes a defensive player change his course or something.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:06 am to Rooco
Play is bad arse on the high school level. I coach HS football part time and we took this play straight out of LSU's playbook. 10+ yards most of the time. I know its different on the college level but just wanted to share my CSB 
To answer your question, yes I do see LSU running it next year as well. It works well with a bruising RB like Ware. We still ran it last year with Lee.
To answer your question, yes I do see LSU running it next year as well. It works well with a bruising RB like Ware. We still ran it last year with Lee.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:12 am to RGJ18
It was a good play for us. You can still go playaction off of it. My biggest issue with our running game was the lack of push we got up front. A lot of times the holes weren't there when we needed it the most.
My question: are our OL bunched too close together? Do we need bigger splits?
My question: are our OL bunched too close together? Do we need bigger splits?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:17 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
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are our OL bunched too close together? Do we need bigger splits?
Im gonna trust the people who get paid 6 or 7 figures to coach on this one.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:20 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
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My question: are our OL bunched too close together? Do we need bigger splits?
pump the brakes brah.. i'm pretty sure LSU's coaches know what they're doing
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:42 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
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It was a good play for us. You can still go playaction off of it.
Did we ever go play action off of it last year? I just can't recall.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:58 am to Rooco
quote:That would require us to pass.
Did we ever go play action off of it last year? I just can't recall.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:01 am to drizztiger
It's a damn good play, and I've not seen anyone use their QB to block the backside like Jefferson did.
Mett's arm might be a little to valuable to expose to a defender ...
Mett's arm might be a little to valuable to expose to a defender ...
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:24 am to Rooco
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Rooco
LSU's inside zone toss play
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It was a good play for us. You can still go playaction off of it.
Did we ever go play action off of it last year? I just can't recall.
Should have done this on 1/9; maybe even a halfback pitch BACK to the QB for a flea-flicker type pass.......
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:38 am to MetryTyger
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Should have done this on 1/9;
Don't get me started on the "should have dones" on 1/9....
:angry:
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:44 am to Weizenman
you could also put Hilliard at full back and ware,blue,ford etc at HB and fake the pitch and give to the full back on a full back counter
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:15 pm to fightingtigers98
That exact play was run a couple times last year.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:16 pm to Rooco
Love this with KH. Get him rolling forward, straight ahead. Lethal.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:25 pm to Rooco
never been a fan of the tive
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:32 pm to Rooco
Imagine the effectiveness when we can accurately throw the WR screen.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:39 pm to baobabtiger
guys guys guys you have it all wrong, here's what we need to do...
shep in the shotgun with hilliard and blue on each side... ford comes in motion and we run the wildcat!!! championship!!!! it'll work everytime, it has to because it works on ncaa 2012
shep in the shotgun with hilliard and blue on each side... ford comes in motion and we run the wildcat!!! championship!!!! it'll work everytime, it has to because it works on ncaa 2012
Posted on 6/19/12 at 2:04 pm to doorknob
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shep in the shotgun with hilliard and blue on each side... ford comes in motion and we run the wildcat!!! championship!!!! it'll work everytime, it has to because it works on ncaa 2012
The Rant is strong in this one...
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