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Talent level of the Baseball Team

Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Asllan
Prairieville, LA
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:31 pm
I keep hearing about the lack of talent on the baseball team. What were our recruiting rankings since we won the NC?
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:42 pm to
Before or after the classes signed pro contracts and never reached campus ?
Posted by Asllan
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:45 pm to
Unlike football, rankings don't come out until after the last day for signings in the draft. So, for this years class, you won't find a ranking until July 15th?
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:47 pm to
Maineri's first class (2010) after the NC got decimated by pro signings .. His next (2011) was a little better .. but got hit too ..
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:53 pm to
We rarely rank high lately, but not many people rank baseball recruting.

Posted by Tiger 10S
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:00 pm to
Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
Posted by geauxjo
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:02 pm to
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Posted by Tiger 10S Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.


Sometimes a "good" coaching job is directly linked to a "poor" recruiting job.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:03 pm to
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I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.


I agree with this.
Posted by VC
Canton
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:08 pm to
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Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.







So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
Posted by VC
Canton
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:08 pm to
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Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.







So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
Posted by Tiger 10S
Member since Jan 2007
175 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:10 pm to
Quote: "Sometimes a "good" coaching job is directly linked to a "poor" recruiting job."

Mainieri also did a good job winning the CWS with talent. His coaching, particularly his changing the batting order in the final game against UT was genius.
That said, I agree that recruiting has been sub-par. Recruiting, more than a new hitting coach or pitching coach, will be determine his future. I think he can coach, but his recruiting needs improvement.

Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
15381 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:14 pm to
All post-MLB signing day rankings...

Collegiate Baseball
2011: #7 (1. SC, 2. Vandy, 3. Ole Miss, 8. Florida, 19. Arkansas, 20. Miss St, 21. UGA, 23. Auburn, 25. UK, 36. Bama)
2010: #1 (5. Florida, 7. SC, 10. Vandy, 14. Arkansas, 16. UK, 18. Miss St, 21. Ole Miss, 26. Auburn, 37. Bama)
2009: #3 (1. Florida, 6. UK, 8. Vandy, 15. Miss St, 18. Ole Miss, 20. UGA, 30. SC, 34. Tenn, 38. Arkansas)

Baseball America
2011: NR (1. Vandy, 5. Ole Miss 6. SC, 14. Miss St, 15. Florida, 21. UGA, 22. Arkansas, 24. Bama)
2010: #2 (6. Florida, 8. Arkansas, 12. Vandy, 18. Ole Miss, 19. SC, 20. Auburn, 22. Miss St)
2009: NR (1. Florida, 8. Miss St, 12. Ole Miss, 13. Vandy, 14. Tenn, 15. UK)
Posted by TupeloTiger
Tupelo,Ms.[via Bastrop,La.]
Member since Jul 2004
4340 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:25 pm to
I don't like pro baseball taking 18 & 19 yr. olds and those right out of high school. I really think a player must go to college until 21 or a Senior after playing 3 years,period. I wish the NCAA would change all 3 major sports that you have to be 21 to go pro.










7 19 yr. olds
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:26 pm to
Are you sure that Collegiate Baseball is post signing ? Plus .. 2009 is after the 2008 season .. Right ?
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:27 pm to
It's not up to the NCAA ..
Posted by lsu711
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:28 pm to
BA puts theirs out in September and Collegiate Baseball does theirs in October.
2009 is from Sept/Oct of 2009. So 2011 is for the signing class eligible to play starting in 2012.
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:29 pm to
I see .. Thanks ..

Huge disparity between the two ..
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
5253 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:31 pm to
So NR in BA means we were worse than 40 for those 2 years? Seems way different than CB??
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
22739 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:32 pm to
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I see .. Thanks ..

Huge disparity between the two ..


Baseball America's has more to do with evaluations from pro scouts so I would tend to trust theirs a little more.
Posted by Tiger 10S
Member since Jan 2007
175 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:32 pm to
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So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
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Doing OK? FYI- We won the SEC (by far the best conference in college baseball), won 7 0f 9 games against SEC CWS participants, and were within 1 win of going to Omaha when we ran into a hot team. A little more than "OK."
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