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Talent level of the Baseball Team
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:31 pm
I keep hearing about the lack of talent on the baseball team. What were our recruiting rankings since we won the NC?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:42 pm to Asllan
Before or after the classes signed pro contracts and never reached campus ?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:45 pm to TigahRag
Unlike football, rankings don't come out until after the last day for signings in the draft. So, for this years class, you won't find a ranking until July 15th?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:47 pm to Asllan
Maineri's first class (2010) after the NC got decimated by pro signings .. His next (2011) was a little better .. but got hit too ..
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:53 pm to TigahRag
We rarely rank high lately, but not many people rank baseball recruting.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:00 pm to Asllan
Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:02 pm to Tiger 10S
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Posted by Tiger 10S Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
Sometimes a "good" coaching job is directly linked to a "poor" recruiting job.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:03 pm to Tiger 10S
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I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
I agree with this.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:08 pm to Tiger 10S
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Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:08 pm to Tiger 10S
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Actually, I think this was one of Manieri's better coaching jobs. We had a couple of good pitchers, a couple of good defensive players (Nola, for one) and Rhymes and Katz for hitting and that's about it. I think he pretty much maximized the talent and won more games than he should have.
So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:10 pm to geauxjo
Quote: "Sometimes a "good" coaching job is directly linked to a "poor" recruiting job."
Mainieri also did a good job winning the CWS with talent. His coaching, particularly his changing the batting order in the final game against UT was genius.
That said, I agree that recruiting has been sub-par. Recruiting, more than a new hitting coach or pitching coach, will be determine his future. I think he can coach, but his recruiting needs improvement.
Mainieri also did a good job winning the CWS with talent. His coaching, particularly his changing the batting order in the final game against UT was genius.
That said, I agree that recruiting has been sub-par. Recruiting, more than a new hitting coach or pitching coach, will be determine his future. I think he can coach, but his recruiting needs improvement.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:14 pm to Asllan
All post-MLB signing day rankings...
Collegiate Baseball
2011: #7 (1. SC, 2. Vandy, 3. Ole Miss, 8. Florida, 19. Arkansas, 20. Miss St, 21. UGA, 23. Auburn, 25. UK, 36. Bama)
2010: #1 (5. Florida, 7. SC, 10. Vandy, 14. Arkansas, 16. UK, 18. Miss St, 21. Ole Miss, 26. Auburn, 37. Bama)
2009: #3 (1. Florida, 6. UK, 8. Vandy, 15. Miss St, 18. Ole Miss, 20. UGA, 30. SC, 34. Tenn, 38. Arkansas)
Baseball America
2011: NR (1. Vandy, 5. Ole Miss 6. SC, 14. Miss St, 15. Florida, 21. UGA, 22. Arkansas, 24. Bama)
2010: #2 (6. Florida, 8. Arkansas, 12. Vandy, 18. Ole Miss, 19. SC, 20. Auburn, 22. Miss St)
2009: NR (1. Florida, 8. Miss St, 12. Ole Miss, 13. Vandy, 14. Tenn, 15. UK)
Collegiate Baseball
2011: #7 (1. SC, 2. Vandy, 3. Ole Miss, 8. Florida, 19. Arkansas, 20. Miss St, 21. UGA, 23. Auburn, 25. UK, 36. Bama)
2010: #1 (5. Florida, 7. SC, 10. Vandy, 14. Arkansas, 16. UK, 18. Miss St, 21. Ole Miss, 26. Auburn, 37. Bama)
2009: #3 (1. Florida, 6. UK, 8. Vandy, 15. Miss St, 18. Ole Miss, 20. UGA, 30. SC, 34. Tenn, 38. Arkansas)
Baseball America
2011: NR (1. Vandy, 5. Ole Miss 6. SC, 14. Miss St, 15. Florida, 21. UGA, 22. Arkansas, 24. Bama)
2010: #2 (6. Florida, 8. Arkansas, 12. Vandy, 18. Ole Miss, 19. SC, 20. Auburn, 22. Miss St)
2009: NR (1. Florida, 8. Miss St, 12. Ole Miss, 13. Vandy, 14. Tenn, 15. UK)
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:25 pm to lsu711
I don't like pro baseball taking 18 & 19 yr. olds and those right out of high school. I really think a player must go to college until 21 or a Senior after playing 3 years,period. I wish the NCAA would change all 3 major sports that you have to be 21 to go pro.
7 19 yr. olds
7 19 yr. olds
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:26 pm to lsu711
Are you sure that Collegiate Baseball is post signing ? Plus .. 2009 is after the 2008 season .. Right ?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:27 pm to TupeloTiger
It's not up to the NCAA ..
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:28 pm to TigahRag
BA puts theirs out in September and Collegiate Baseball does theirs in October.
2009 is from Sept/Oct of 2009. So 2011 is for the signing class eligible to play starting in 2012.
2009 is from Sept/Oct of 2009. So 2011 is for the signing class eligible to play starting in 2012.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:29 pm to lsu711
I see .. Thanks ..
Huge disparity between the two ..
Huge disparity between the two ..
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:31 pm to lsu711
So NR in BA means we were worse than 40 for those 2 years? Seems way different than CB??
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:32 pm to TigahRag
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I see .. Thanks ..
Huge disparity between the two ..
Baseball America's has more to do with evaluations from pro scouts so I would tend to trust theirs a little more.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:32 pm to VC
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So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
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Doing OK? FYI- We won the SEC (by far the best conference in college baseball), won 7 0f 9 games against SEC CWS participants, and were within 1 win of going to Omaha when we ran into a hot team. A little more than "OK."
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So basically what you are suggesting is that if you want to be percieved as doing a good job of coaching, just bring in subpar talent and assistant coaches....then if you do okay, you will be considered to have overacheived.....pretty clever. Seriously, whose fault is it that we don't have talent on this team, and whose fault is it we are so poor fundamentally and poor assistant coaching?
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Doing OK? FYI- We won the SEC (by far the best conference in college baseball), won 7 0f 9 games against SEC CWS participants, and were within 1 win of going to Omaha when we ran into a hot team. A little more than "OK."
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