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re: Hornets not just looking to "dump" pick #10
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
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I agree. I'm not worried about the position so much. Just get talented basketball players.
I just don't know if Rivers will be the BPA. If Monty and Dell think he is, then they know far more than me.
I don't know that he is either... but hell, i'm not going to say we are set at any position and need to avoid a bpa at a position cause "we're set"... hell after anthony davis, PF might be our deepest position but hell we keep talking about more combo PF players...
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
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A lottery pick next season would be nice...but we have two this season, in by all accounts a deeper draft. Any pick we get would be at least top 7 protected the first year, so there would be really no point.
Assuming Demps can work some magic and get a stud with a traded 2013 pick, it could work out better. OKC may get a ring before the salary cap forces them to break the team up. If Harden and Westbrook were drafted at the same time it's possible Harden gets traded this year and they aren't playing in the finals.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
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Sources close to the situation say the team is not trying to shed dollars as much as they are trying to reshape the roster. Don’t expect them to “dump” guys like Okafor or Ariza just for cap space or to dump their contracts.
This is the key. Need to get rid of the offensive spaz combo of Okafor and Ariza. I like the reshaping that the Hornets are trying to do.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:39 am to Fun Bunch
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Not sure where this is coming from.
There were multiple reports that we were trying to use the #10 to move Okafor or Ariza.
Of course as they are want to do, the national media interpreted it as we would use the #10 to just dump their contracts, instead of the reality of us actually considering #10 and Okafor/Ariza as assets that could get something in return.
That's what I'm saying. I think the media ran with it that it was purly a contract dump. That would just be dumb and I can't beleive anyone would seriously think ownership would do that.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
Stop parrotting this BS. Okc is going to keep their big 4 together for a while.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:16 am to Suntiger
I dont think anyone ran the story as a contract dump...except hornets fans who for some reason assumed that's what it meant.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:18 am to Tigerbait337
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eah you're right... I just really want a lottery pick next season. I seriously think this team makes the playoffs.. or a similar run like Houston..which is not a good thing.
So really, Demps and Monty shouldn't try too hard?
Benson would be thrilled. There is a real obsession among some folks here that we have to have years of lottery picks to have any viable chance to be a contender. shite, guys, we have TWO top ten picks this year. That's not bad to rebuild with. Just because the team improves and takes a playoff spot DOES NOT doom it to Houston mediocrity.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:22 am to MinnesotaTiger
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Stop parrotting this BS. Okc is going to keep their big 4 together for a while.
I'm not parroting anything. Whether it's BS or not depends on what kind of market value Ibaka has. Harden surely has a near max market value. If Ibaka can get $10 million or more they would pretty much have the entire cap consumed by 4 players.
2013-2014
Durant $18.7
Westbrook $15.5
Harden $13.5
Ibaka $10
That just isn't a sustainable payroll, especially in a smaller market.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
They'll pay the tax for a couple years to rack up titles. They'll raise ticket prices as they have a waiting list
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:10 pm to MinnesotaTiger
Their ownership group is pretty loaded.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:20 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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They'll pay the tax for a couple years to rack up titles.
Have you heard anything saying they would? I'd like to think they would, but they do have a reputation for being cheap and payroll would probably be close to $85 million in 2013-14 if they kept/picked up options on everyone currently contracted until then and filled out the rest of the roster with minimum contracts. Under the new rules the tax bill on that would be $28.75 Million for a total payroll expense of $113.75 Million. That's a lot of money when presumably the $70 Million tax line is the threshold of profitability. To avoid the repeater tax they'd either need to trade off pieces or not resign Durant when the time came.
I think a lot of people are underestimating just how costly the new tax rules are.
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Teams pay $1 for every $1 their salary is above the luxury-tax threshold in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Starting in 2012-13, teams pay an incremental tax that increases with every $5 million above the tax threshold ($1.50, $1.75, $2.50, $3.25, etc.). Teams that are repeat offenders (paying tax at least four out of the past five seasons) have a tax that is higher still — $1 more at each increment ($2.50, $2.75, $3.50, $4.25, etc.).
LINK
5 years from now would Benson be ok with potentially losing $30-$50 million per year until Davis was no longer championship caliber? Dynasties aren't as profitable as they used to be.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:28 pm to NIH
The new CBA rules is gonna make it hard to keep all four of those guys together.
Also Sefolosha's contract is expiring the following year, so you know he will be looking to get paid as well.
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Starting in 2012-13, teams pay an incremental tax that increases with every $5 million above the tax threshold ($1.50, $1.75, $2.50, $3.25, etc.).
Also Sefolosha's contract is expiring the following year, so you know he will be looking to get paid as well.
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In a Q&A interview, Oklahoma City Thabo Sefolosha said: "I'm under contract with the Thunder for two more years after this. I have not looked beyond that, actually. I'm just happy to be where I'm at today with this great organization, but at the same time it's a business, you know. I'll try to enjoy it as much as I can while I'm here and make the best out of it - for me and for the team."
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:31 pm to TigerinATL
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I hope Demps learned his lesson on listening to Monty from Jerryd Bayless.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:37 pm to TigerinATL
Couple of questions: will the tax line stay at $70 million? If it goes up, would that make a difference or are salaries fixed to go up with the cap?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
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To avoid the repeater tax they'd either need to trade off pieces or not resign Durant when the time came.
I figure they'll trade off or amnesty Kendrick Perkins to start with.
$8-$9m / season is a lot by the time all those big contracts pile up in 2013-2014.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:46 pm to teke184
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I figure they'll trade off or amnesty Kendrick Perkins to start with. $8-$9m / season is a lot by the time all those big contracts pile up in 2013-2014.
Did they sign that contract before the new CBA was in place ? Or was it just agreed to in principle during the season ?
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:53 pm to corndeaux
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will the tax line stay at $70 million?
Presumably it will move with the cap. The CBA supposedly was going to cut payroll which means either Revenue needs to increase, or the cap/tax lines should go down. Although I've seen some reports that the cap will increase to $61 million next season. LINK
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If it goes up, would that make a difference or are salaries fixed to go up with the cap?
Salaries shouldn't automatically increase with an increase in the cap/tax line meaning if the tax line moved from say $70 to $73M the tax bill goes from $28.75M to $21.25M in my previous example.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:02 pm to TigerinATL
Thanks!
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:05 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Did they sign that contract before the new CBA was in place ? Or was it just agreed to in principle during the season ?
I looked it up before my post and found articles on it dating back to March 2011.
That should mean it was under the old CBA.
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