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re: Hornets and Playoffs Next Season
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:27 pm to VOR
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:27 pm to VOR
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But I also think it's going overboard in the negative direction to suggest he's just a kid who would be slightly above average in a deeper draft year.
i'm not trying to suggest that
i'm trying to say that he's not a franchise-changer like lebron/durant/howard. i think that's fair
some of our fans are saying he had a better year than durant. that's just crazy, and that's just too much in terms of expectations for him
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's not just Hornets fans. Larry Brown said after the Final Four that the team who landed AD would win 50 games. That's pretty extreme. However, I absolutely think the guy is a franchise changing talent. I haven't seen a player impact college games on a nightly basis like he did in a looooong time.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:50 pm to BehindtheWoodshed
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I haven't seen a player impact college games on a nightly basis like he did in a looooong time
kevin durant?
greg oden?
michael beasley?
derrick rose?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:00 pm to VOR
If we stay healthy we can easily make the playoffs. That's a big "if" though
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
None of those guys impacted the game on both ends like Davis. None of em. I'm not saying AD will be as good as Durant. But on a team full and I mean absolutely full of NBA first rounders, AD was the CLEAR alpha dog and didn't have to score double digits for everyone to see it. The guy is grading out as high or higher than Tim Duncan did with many scouts.
Defensively I think your have to go back as far as shaq/Alonzo/mutumbo for a player who had such an effect on opposing offenses.
Defensively I think your have to go back as far as shaq/Alonzo/mutumbo for a player who had such an effect on opposing offenses.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:11 pm to BehindtheWoodshed
i think you forget what greg oden did defensively in his one year
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oden blocked like 2.5 shots a game as a rook
Edit : never mind. Only 1.1 as a rookie. 2.3 as a sophomore.
3.3 as a freshman in college
Edit : never mind. Only 1.1 as a rookie. 2.3 as a sophomore.
3.3 as a freshman in college
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Davis was better than Oden and Rose in college.
For my money he is right there with Durant and Beasley. His defensive impact was as great as their offensive impact.
If Davis can be around 10 and 8 with a couple of blocks in 30mpg, that is a successful rookie year.
For my money he is right there with Durant and Beasley. His defensive impact was as great as their offensive impact.
If Davis can be around 10 and 8 with a couple of blocks in 30mpg, that is a successful rookie year.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
No I have vivid memories of Oden. Not as impactful defensively. Offensively yes. Defensivly, not even close. Blocked shot averages don't come close to telling the story.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:19 pm to corndeaux
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If Davis can be around 10 and 8 with a couple of blocks in 30mpg, that is a successful rookie year.
I think he'll average a little more than that. 12 and 10 ish. He's got an okay offensive game for his age and I think is generally dismissed too easily because of how good he is on the defensive end.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:21 pm to corndeaux
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If Davis can be around 10 and 8 with a couple of blocks in 30mpg, that is a successful rookie year.
Those are far from "franchise changing" numbers, though.
I don't think those numbers are far off (I think he'll be right around 13/9/1/2blk), but I think he's going to have to either develop a really nice jumper or put on about 20-25lbs of muscle and improve his post game if he's going to be an elite player. I think there's a really good chance of one of those two things happening over the next two seasons, just not sure which way they'll want to go with him.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:23 pm to BehindtheWoodshed
Cal's drive and kick offense is not conducive to huge numbers offensively for bigs. It's obviously in favor of permiter players putting up bigger scoring numbers. I'd be interested in seeing what percentage of cousins and Davis points were result of rebound and putbacks. A much larger percentage than Oden I'm sure, who played in an offense that was centered around him.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:27 pm to THRILLHO
Nobody expects him to 1st team all NBA as a rookie. I beleive the guy is a franchise changer. Takes a lil bit of time though.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:29 pm to MrWiseGuy
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He's got an okay offensive game and I think is generally dismissed too easily because of how good he is on the defensive end
I agree. He is an outstanding offensive rebounder too, so he will get put backs. He will need work and bulk before he can score consistently in the post. 10/8 is not what I think his rookie ceiling is. But for a 19 year old who has played in the post for 2 or 3 years, that's a realistic expectation.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:34 pm to THRILLHO
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Those are far from franchise changing numbers
Durant's rookie year wasn't great either. He scored 20ppg, but shot a poor % and didn't rebound or pass well on an awful, awful team.
Davis will change the franchise with his defense. There just aren't great metrics for individual defensive impact like PER, TS%, etc.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:38 pm to corndeaux
I think you're missing the point, corndeaux.
You see, have we really found every single last thing to complain about yet? Have we found every cloud inside every silver lining?
Let's focus on the negative so some people can be comfortable in their familiar surroundings. Then, anytime something strays from ideal, they can claim they are "right" while everyone else is just so so "wrong".
You see, have we really found every single last thing to complain about yet? Have we found every cloud inside every silver lining?
Let's focus on the negative so some people can be comfortable in their familiar surroundings. Then, anytime something strays from ideal, they can claim they are "right" while everyone else is just so so "wrong".
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:49 pm to 42
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:52 pm to 42
In a nutshell.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:57 am to 42
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I think you're missing the point, corndeaux.
You see, have we really found every single last thing to complain about yet? Have we found every cloud inside every silver lining?
Let's focus on the negative so some people can be comfortable in their familiar surroundings. Then, anytime something strays from ideal, they can claim they are "right" while everyone else is just so so "wrong".
Could be. I've always found it's safer to predict failure, or at least a failure to reach expectations, than it is success.
In all honesty, though, SFP isn't really that bad. He knows basketball. He does like to be the contrarian occasionally, however.
No, it's really posters like LSUlunatic who seem to believe they're posting something insightful (when, in fact, they're only stating the obvious) that annoy me.
Also, those posters who have a constant agenda, whether it be N.O. as an NBA city or Gordon's attitude, become pretty fricking tiresome.
Look, nobody really knows how good Davis will be in the long run. But I have not heard this much all around praise for a draft choice in quite awhile. And he sure looks like he's got game when I watch him. I don't expect him to be "all world" in his first season, but I expect him to really contribute and improve the team. Then we'll see what happens in years two and three.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:24 pm to VOR
As with any young team, there will be growing pains. That said, I think with the pieces we'll have in place and Monty as coach this team will be in the playoffs barring any significant injuries. I don't really expect us to make a lot of noise once there next year, but could see a competitive 5-6 game series with us as about the #6 or 7 seed
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