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re: Hornets and Playoffs Next Season
Posted on 6/10/12 at 6:46 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 6/10/12 at 6:46 pm to THRILLHO
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The team is too talented to tank its way into a significantly higher draft spot.
oh i'm not suggesting that we tank. i just hope davis pans out and that we hit on #10 and have 3 stars in 2 years
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 6:51 pm to VOR
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Everyone knows the team is a couple of years away (at least) from a championship
Based on what? That's an outrageous claim.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 6:59 pm to THRILLHO
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Our record will be FAR from irrelevant, especially if Gordon signs his qualifying offer rather than an extension. It will have a pretty large bearing on both fan and player/front office morale. If we don't have the insane injuries we had last season and still only win 30 or so games, it's going to bring up some major questions as to how great our coach and GM really are. If we suck again, it's going to affect what kind of free agents we can lure in 2013.
Good points. Obviously it's not completely irrelevant.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they have KD, and we have nobody close to that
Not that we know of, but we'll see.
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then they hit a homerun with westbrook and ibaka
then they hit another with harden
Should we give up?
Seriously, though, I like the way this FO works so far. They now have an owner and flexibility to make moves. I like Sam Presti and Scott Brooks, but they aren't the only smart guys in the league.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:03 pm to VOR
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Should we give up?
no
i think many fans need to reign back expectations, though...esp about davis
i understand why excitement is important and fun, but it may go too far
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we don't suck, we'll basically cut out off ability to acquire talent for 2 years
sure we'll improve. then you can replace houston with atlanta
You're overreacting. There's ways to get great players other than overpaying in free agency. Our trade for Tyson Chandler was a great example. And there will always be guys like Jennings or Gay or Iguadala who can complete the troika of our "Big Three". We've already got 2 of them in place and we'll have nice cap room as Ariza and Okafor come off the books. We'll be fine.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:06 pm to LSUlunatic
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Making the playoffs next year is somewhat irrelevant. Establishing a young core that will enable the Hornets to contend for the WCC on an annual basis should be the ultimate objective. And it's certaintly possible that the Hornets will make the playoffs next year in spite of not realizing that objective.
You want that playoff experience (even as an 8th seed getting drubbed 1st round) so that the next season your young guys will be ready to take the next step (or two) like OKC did.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:07 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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and we'll have nice cap room as Ariza and Okafor come off the books
that's why i said it will be cut off for 2 years, basically.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they have KD, and we have nobody close to that
then they hit a homerun with westbrook and ibaka
then they hit another with harden
It's not naive to say that Anthony Davis can be an All Star by his second year in the league. It's not naive to say he will be a top 5 player in the West by year 2 - certainly by year 3. There's no reason to check our expectations of a guy who's "downside" is playing defensive like a healthy Tyson Chandler right off the bat. That's a pretty incredible "downside".
Gordon is a legitimate All Star when healthy. We have the pieces to make an aggressive play right now, or we can play it safe and use Okafor's expiring plus a pick to make an aggressive play in 18 months.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:13 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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It's not naive to say he will be a top 5 player in the West by year 2.
yes. it is.
dude temper your expectations. it's theoretically possible but basically not possible
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
It really isn't.
Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Ginobli, Nash all in their twilight.
CP3, Rubio, Parker are 1's which is like a RB in the NFL as far as I'm concerned. Davis at 4 putting up 16/12/4 and making fools scared to drive into the paint (like Tyson Chandler in his prime) is more impactful than they are IMO - especially at his age, upside, and salary.
Love, Durant, Bynym (if he stays) - who else am I missing? Marc Gasol? Blake Griffin? Lamarcus Aldridge? Anthony Davis eats pieces of shite like them for breakfast.
Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Ginobli, Nash all in their twilight.
CP3, Rubio, Parker are 1's which is like a RB in the NFL as far as I'm concerned. Davis at 4 putting up 16/12/4 and making fools scared to drive into the paint (like Tyson Chandler in his prime) is more impactful than they are IMO - especially at his age, upside, and salary.
Love, Durant, Bynym (if he stays) - who else am I missing? Marc Gasol? Blake Griffin? Lamarcus Aldridge? Anthony Davis eats pieces of shite like them for breakfast.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:24 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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who else am I missing? Marc Gasol?
aldridge
zach randolph
russell westbrook
al jefferson
demarcus cousins
pau gasol (if he stays in the west)
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
I considered all of them. I'll give you Westbrook. That's it - but only because he's a scoring 1. PG's just aren't as valuable or impactful b/c their defense is so irrelevant.
Anthony Davis should be a top 5 player in West by playoffs in year 2 if he progresses as everybody thinks he will.
Anthony Davis should be a top 5 player in West by playoffs in year 2 if he progresses as everybody thinks he will.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:34 pm to MinnesotaTiger
you realize that cousins tore up the NBA to end last year, right? 20/10/1/2 type statlines
aldridge is at 22/9 with great shooting %s and defense
randolph is a 20/12 guy with good percentages
you think davis is going to be putting up better games than those 3?
aldridge is at 22/9 with great shooting %s and defense
randolph is a 20/12 guy with good percentages
you think davis is going to be putting up better games than those 3?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:27 pm to LSUlunatic
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LSUlunatic
So far, you've done nothing other than spout generalizations . Do you have a specific point to make?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but it may go too far
OH MY GOD!!! WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN???
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i think many fans need to reign back expectations, though...esp about davis
Do you think the scouts and other observers have over-hyped Davis? If so, in what specific ways?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:33 pm to VOR
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Do you think the scouts and other observers have over-hyped Davis?
i think he's the clear-cut #1 pick in a draft without a deep elite level
i mean bill russell comparisons? alejandro is saying he's going to be a top 5 player in the west in 2 years?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think he's the clear-cut #1 pick in a draft without a deep elite level
Interesting. Opinions are all over the map regarding the quality of this year's draft.
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alejandro is saying he's going to be a top 5 player in the west in 2 years?
I have no idea. Frankly, the kid is young and I don't have even have a handle on the probabilities. I'm not convinced anyone else does, either. But I also think it's going overboard in the negative direction to suggest he's just a kid who would be slightly above average in a deeper draft year. I actually haven't seen his mobility, ball handling and leaping ability in a 6'10" 19 year old in awhile. If he pans out, he could end up being a top five player . . . if not in two years then a year or two after that. Most observers say he is a franchise changer. Maybe they're wrong, though.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pau gasol (if he stays in the west)
Did you watch the playoffs this year? Pau was horrible. Davis is a lock to be better than Pau in his 3rd year.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:25 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
pau is going through some shite right now, mentally
if he's featured, he's a 20/12/4 guy with great percentages and a complete game
if he's featured, he's a 20/12/4 guy with great percentages and a complete game
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